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I would like to hear the arguments of Garrett supporters

Discussion in 'Jerry/Garrett/Rant Zone' started by TheXFactor, Dec 16, 2013.

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  1. Dodger12

    Dodger12 Well-Known Member

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    I get the injuries but this team has been epically bad......record breaking bad. Possibly the worst in NFL history and we've broken all kinds of records for futility. But a lot of teams have injuries. We looked like world beaters the first half yesterday, especially on D. The second half was all Garrett and Kiffin. And what does that say for our ability to identify talent when Sterling Moore, whom we released, may have been the best D player on the field yesterday?
  2. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    I really thought that Jason Garrett was going to be a great coach, eventually. I thought that once he got his type of players in there, got rid of the dead weight, and got his system in place, he would be great. Or maybe I was just really wanted it to be true. And I've been a strong defender of his on this board. My faith has waned throughout the year, starting with the whole deal with him giving up play calling. Not that I didn't think it was a good move, allowing him to just be a HC. I just didn't have a good feel about how it was going down. Seemed like there was kind of a wrestling match between him and JJ. Now, I hate to say, my faith is gone. What I saw yesterday, I've seen (we've all seen) too many times. This kind of crappy management needed to be eradicated by this point.

    We have a defense that has been decimated by injury. That can't go unsaid. Plus, we have a DC that seems to be way past his time. Thus, we're going to be a disadvantage in pretty much any game we play. This is where Garrett would really shine if he had the ability. The Bears don't have any better defense than we do, yet they find a way to be able to hide that defense, at least enough to win the game. Yesterday, against Cleveland, they got a lead, and even though they were giving up points to an average offense (granted with one outstanding player), they continued to run the ball. 31 times. They shortened the game as much as they could. They saw the Browns creeping toward the LOS, but kept running anyway. The passed to get the lead, and they ran it to win.

    I'm not saying we should have completely abandoned the pass and gone strictly with the run, like some have implied. If you go 3 and out running the ball, yeah, you've taken about 3 minutes off the clock, but you're still giving the ball back to other team, and trusting a defense that gets scored on more easily, and more often, than your average female porn star. But you have to do what you can to shorten the game, not lengthen it. Sure, you still pass some, but you have to lean on your running game, especially one that had been working.

    What I saw in that game yesterday was something I've seen way too many times with this team - lack of composure. When we gave up that easy score early in the second half, you could feel everyone tighten up, including Garrett. I'm sure he felt he had to keep the ball away from GB and score more points at the same time. I just can't agree with how he went about doing it. You have a 16 point lead (after the GB score), and not only do you stay predominantly with the pass, you go almost exclusively to it. You just don't see good teams, with good coaches, do that. Even strong passing teams like NO, GB, and NE start utilizing the run more. Sure, they keep throwing, but they become much more balanced, and even go more run than pass. We go almost more out of balance to the passing side. They seem to stay in control. We get out of control.

    Did Romo go against Garrett on that next to last possession? Sounds like it. But as the HC, you have to control that. Tony is great, but historically, he's demonstrated a pattern of giving the ball away in situations where there is less than five minutes left, and we're either tied or up by one score or less. To give him the reins to make that call on his own, and put him back into that situation on his own, without being checked, shows that as a HC, Garrett doesn't have control. And if he doesn't have that control, he has no business being our HC.

    If he goes, he goes. I don't like hoping for a man to lose his job. I've lost a job, under really tough circumstances, so I don't wish that on anyone. Yeah I know, he's a millionaire, and he'll land on his feet somewhere. Maybe he'll move into the front office (where I think he'd be really good). But still, losing your job sucks. That said, it needs to happen. The problem is, I have no faith in Jerry to do what's in the team's best interest in terms of getting a new HC, as opposed to his own. If he continues his pattern of going with HC's that allow him to continue to call the majority of the shots, firing Garrett will just be another in the long line of inconsequential decisions that man has made.
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  3. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    Spot on
    Garrett was just a desk ornament on draft day
    Garrett groupies are just fooling themselves
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  4. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    Poor Campo never had a QB. Honestly I don't ever remember him coaching us out of a game like Garrett has multiple times, he just never had the horses on offense.
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  5. waving monkey

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    I think Garrett will become a great coach but he's not that yet. I know many don't want him to get on the job training during our entertainment time.I have been a strong apologist for his entire tour with the Cowboys and admire his tangibles. I have grown weary wonder why Red still has trouble with the details at this point in time. Since the New Orleans game I have stopped defending him.
  6. Cowboysfan1975

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    I have been a big JG supporter before this season, Because I thought that he needed to be a walk around HC. I thought he was doing a good job of finding talent in the draft and was sure that he would do a better job with game management when he wasn't having to call the offensive plays. I still don't really know what is going on behind the scenes.

    Callahan is not the guy that should be calling plays for this team. He is a west coast guy and we don't have the personnel for that. Kiffin is garbage and using a system that you absolutely have to have a certain type of players for, and we don't. They say Rob Ryan's scheme was to complex, but Kiffins is too simple.

    If indeed it was Bill calling the plays yesterday, JG has the responsibility as the head coach to step in and say Hey we are going to run the ball. The worst thing for me though was him throwing Romo and Callahan under the bus after the game. It might be true that Bill was calling the plays and Romo changed the play from a run to a pass, but Jason IS THE FREAKING HEAD COACH. He has to take charge of and tell everyone what is going to happen. Not use them as a scapegoat for his mismanagement of the game.
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  7. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    Explain Red problem with time management and controlling Romo? JJones you say?
    Or the two of them? Some thing aren't right in Denmark at any rate.
  8. Dodger12

    Dodger12 Well-Known Member

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    I was going to quote your first paragraph and then I continued reading and was going to include your second paragraph and same with the third right to the end. This may be the best post I've read all day Picksix. It's my thoughts on the situation almost to a "T," right down to the last paragraph. I feel for anyone that may lose their job and I wouldn't want it to be me. I can empathize with Garrett. But he bought it. He should have known Jerry well enough to know it may come to this. He knows the Jones family as a player and as an assistant coach so none of Jerry's meddling should have surprised him.
  9. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    This: Jason IS THE FREAKING HEAD COACH. He has to take charge of and tell everyone what is going to happen. Not use them as a scapegoat for his mismanagement of the game.
  10. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    that theory don't work when you have a weak team waltzing into the play offs.
  11. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    After he got immediate results from a bunch of quitters, I thought he had earned the job. Since that time I don't think he's shown much to suggest he should keep the job and likely has shown more than enough to have lost the job a long time ago.

    I was off the bandwagon a while ago. At this point I can't imagine that bus has many passengers seeing how it's on course to drive into the Grand Canyon.
  12. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    hats off
  13. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I'm on vacation so count me marginally present. Nothing useful to add on either side.
  14. bark

    bark Well-Known Member

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    That noise you heard was the bus going off the cliff yesterday
  15. KB1122

    KB1122 Well-Known Member

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    My argument would have been:

    1) coaching stability -- changing coaches every four years is a sign of an unhealthy franchise. Landry's record was mediocre for his first five or six years. I'm less concerned about a coach's immediate record than I am about his talent and development.

    2) Despite overblown playcalling complaints, the Cowboys offense in recent years has actually been pretty productive.

    3) We've drafted better during his era. I don't think that's arguable. It's quite possible that will reverse with a new coach.

    4) We've been making progress. We went from 1-7 when he started to 5-3, then 8-8, then 8-8 against a tougher schedule. Had we won yesterday, we'd all be talking about going 10-6 and winning the division.

    5) His detractors tend to be Romo groupies who are always looking to scapegoat someone for Tony's shortcomings, the same way they look at the o-line or Dez or ..... etc. The rest of them tend to be media figures who like controversy.

    6) Being stripped of playcalling in the off-season was a ridiculous move by the ultimate kneejerk Romo groupie - the owner himself. Not to mention the bizarre Kiffin hiring.

    After yesterday, I don't think he can remain. It's a shame.
  16. Irvin88_4life

    Irvin88_4life Well-Known Member

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    It depends on the coach that is hired. Then again we will never get anywhere changing head coaches every 3 years. To be honest OC and DC needs to be changed, injurious have really hurt us so we need to find a way to stay healthy for the most part. I think we have drafted well since Garrett has been head coach but feel there is some dead weight on the team.

    To answer your question yes I want to win every game we have even if Garrett is still HC. Continue building in the draft, 2 first picks on OL in 3 years is good now work DL the same.

    Also situational football is something Garrett needs to work on all off season. I feel this team can compete with the best teams which they have but play down to the opponent, we need to try to score every possession help the defense. Defense needs to make a stop after we score and help the offense. We have to play as a team and not individual stats, if a first down ends the game get a first then get on the ground to run clock. Don't go for a TD with a pass, play it safe.
  17. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    I would think 1 playoff win in 17 years is a sign of an unhealthy franchise. And the Landry comp is a completely different era.

    And the defense is currently a smoldering ruin. Aren't HC responsible for both sides of the ball?

    And overblown? Really? When Buck and Troy are calling you out on national TV, I think there is a problem.

    Meh. I don't think we have gotten near the contributions from our 2nd day drafting and UFAs that we were with Parcells. And whatever you think of Escobar or T-Will, taking them in the 2nd and 3rd while the defense was falling apart to old age was stupid. And we are seeing that this year.

    But we didn't win yesterday, so we are 7-7. Marking exactly no progress. And what were we again before 1-7?

    Do you have any bleeping idea what Garrett's record would be without Romo? Hey here's a thought. Maybe the OC/HC should design a gameplan that minimizes Romo's shortcomings? You know, like RUNNING THE DAMN FOOTBALL.

    When an OC turned HC is stripped of playcalling duties most teams would call that a major demotion. It was Jerry's excuse for not firing his incompetent arse/

    No, the shame was that an inexperienced QB coach was ever given an OC job in the first place, and then promoted to HC without any merit whatsoever, and that his butt is being covered by the "Romo sucks" storyline.
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  18. Joe Realist

    Joe Realist No Kool-Aid here!

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    I've said since last year that Garrett will be a good coach, just not here. A more stable organization with a better owner and GM. He could be a Terry Francona.
  19. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Sounds like a GM job description.
  20. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    Appreciate it man. Didn't plan on making it that long, but once I started, couldn't stop. Happy Holidays.
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