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If you think losing = higher draft picks = more future success

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Red Dragon, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Well-Known Member

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    Just how confident are you, that the Cowboys, with their current GM and front office, would select good players with those high draft picks anyway?


    This is one reason I've never bought into the notion that it would be better for the Cowboys to lose and get high draft picks, rather than win and stay in the playoff race. There's NO guarantee that those high draft picks would be put to good use.

    Another reason: Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell were drafted in the 1st round. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Jason Witten was drafted in the 3rd round. High draft positioning is really overrated.
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  2. cowboys1981

    cowboys1981 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! I would never cheer for this team to lose under any circumstance.
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  3. Frozen700

    Frozen700 Well-Known Member

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    If we are clearly out of the playoff hunt, I mean eliminated with like 4 games left. I Would hope to lose the rest of game, regardless of whatever logic or reasoning you or anybody comes up with.

    Winning does nothing, if you are eliminated. It's like hanging a a steak out the window of a car going 25 mph, teasing a fat kid.
  4. CaptainCreed

    CaptainCreed Active Member

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    Current starting quarterbacks that WERE first round picks to name a few:

    Eli, RG3, Newton, Ryan, Rodgers, Cutler, Stafford, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Luck, Peyton, Alex Smith, Rivers

    That's a lot of good quarterbacks. Romo and Brady are outliers.
  5. CowboyFan4Eva

    CowboyFan4Eva Benched

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    This franchise. This organization. This team . And right down to its fan-base have been successfully. ...................neutered !!!!!!!


    Yeah, it isn't a guarantee when you draft a QB or any position that high.........but, you do know you have to take that chance..........right?????????

    This where the QBs come from........

    I actually think the first problem that needs to be addressed is JJ hiring a GM. But.....that's not going to happen.

    I'm just so sick of NOT winning in the playoffs......this franchise is a joke.

    There was a time when Dallas would win Super Bowls. Lots of them.......imagine that guys .......a real live real thing............Super Bowl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ohhh wait, You guys are probably all youngsters........of course you have no concept of it.....
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  6. ninja

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    Care to name a GM you would like other than Ozzie Newsome? Shall we get JAX's GM? Clev's GM? Jets' GM? Buff's GM? AZ's GM? Oak's GM? SD's GM? Hou's GM? TEN's GM? STL's GM? WASH's GM? PHI's GM? MIA's GM? TB's GM? MN's GM? DET's GM? Well, that's basically half the GMs in the league and I doubt you would want any of them. But, hey, if it makes you happy to place all the blame on the GM, keep on moaning and crying. Going in to the season, I think most would have looked at the talent on the team and saw a team talented enough to compete for a playoff spot. Just like they were the last two years. The Gm gave the coaches the talent to make these playoffs the past three years. The COACHES and PLAYERS failed to seal the deal the past two seasons. We'll see what happens this year. These last 6 games are on the coaches and players to either succeed or fail and has nothing to do with the GM at this point.
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  7. CaptainMorgan

    CaptainMorgan Well-Known Member

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    I wouldnt root for losses for the sake of a better draft position but if losing is enough to convince jerry to make a change at HC then by all means lose.
  8. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Well-Known Member

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    The Cowboys started 1-7 in 2010. Wade Phillips was fired. Garrett became head coach.


    And now, two 8-8 seasons later, how well has that "If losing is enough to convince Jerry to make a change at HC then by all means lose" philosophy worked out?
  9. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    That's the point, 8 wins is too many. It gives Jerry false hope that we are close and he won't fire our loser HC
  10. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    As of late?

    A hell of a lot more confident than I am that Dallas could actually advance in the playoffs unless they make another Mo trade.
  11. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    I don't subscribe to that line of thinking. Past the first and second rounds, picking higher in each specific round isn't a guarantee or promise that the player taken will be that much better than one taken 15 to 20 picks later. Sometimes that applies in the first two rounds also.
  12. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Better than 1-7, which turns out to be 2-14 over the course of a year. If anything that situation gives credence to the idea that a coaching change can make a difference.

    Given the choice of watching a team quit on a coach and get blown out every week or watching a team that doesn't quit but can't really ever put it all together and has a coach who doesn't really get what he should from his talent, I'd rather watch the latter. Of course I'd really rather watch a team that doesn't quit and who also has a coach who gets the absolute most out of his players.

    Looks like a single step in the right direction but ultimately the team needed to take two.
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  13. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. A perfect situation for the realists. Being terrible and losing 80% of games. Then they could sit there and tell us all how bad we are and hope we lose. Followed by telling us how poorly we drafted.
    You could all be jaguars fans and be very happy.
    Just give it some thought please. Thanks!
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  14. IrishAnto

    IrishAnto Well-Known Member

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    And who appoints the coaches?
  15. IrishAnto

    IrishAnto Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.

    If you look back over the last 20 or more years, how many times would Detroit or Cleveland (to name two) have picked in the top 10 of the draft?

    Six, seven out of every 10?

    How many playoff games have they won in that period?

    Those organizations don’t know how to win consistently and I’m thinking that Dallas can now be counted among their ranks.
  16. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    And yet, what are you advocating here?

    Staying with Garrett or making a change?

    Do you even know?

    You're criticizing those rooting for losses, rather than the fool's gold of a best of the worst playoff appearance - which would hopefully lead to bigger organizational changes rather than simply higher draft picks - and yet your 8-8 comment is a clear indictment of the job Garrett has done.

    Some people rooting for losses aren't just doing it for draft picks, or a change at head coach, but for a gut punch to a foolish old man, too stubborn to admit he's wrong and that he needs to change his ways.

    Some are looking at a bigger picture than getting clobbered in an undeserved playoff appearance.
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  17. Cowboys22

    Cowboys22 Well-Known Member

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    Higher draft picks gives a team a better chance for success in the draft but in no way guarantees it and, thus, should never be the reason you want your favorite team to lose. I may rail and rail unmercifully against players I have soured on or things I don't like about the team but I never want them to lose, even for better draft picks.
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  18. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    what a laughable post

    so, failing organizations should keep their executives in lace (you know the ones that have been making poor decisions for 20 years) just because there are some worse executives out there?

    defies logic but there you have it

    paralyzed by fear and incompetence
  19. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Worked pretty well for the Colts.

    In reality, it comes down to drafting well. If you're a crappy drafting team, it doesn't really matter where you pick.
  20. Double Trouble

    Double Trouble Well-Known Member

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    There are a lot less 1st round busts than 2nd and 3rd round busts. Look at the whole picture, just not a few picks. Every year, there are more 1st rounders in the pro bowl than any other round for a reason. Think Indy is regretting that they had the 1st pick to use on Andrew Luck?

    The problem in Dallas is that they're permanently in limbo. For a decade now, other than 2 seasons, the Cowboys have been 9-7 or worse. Clearly not good enough to compete with the league's better teams, yet not drafting high enough in any year to land an elite QB. The reasons are simple. Most bad and mediocre teams don't spend the $$ to keep their FAs, much less sign expensive players like Jones does. They're willing to let their team go into a tailspin in order to a) get high draft picks or, in many cases b) simply save $$$$. But with Jones, he continually keeps the Cowboys out of the basement through his willingness to spend $$ that many other owners won't, but then also continues his string of questionable personnel decisions to keep the Cowboys from ascending. To say nothing of the distracting atmosphere surrounding the team he purposely creates.

    Your overall point is right, that Jones can screw the team worse on draft day than at any other time, but by the same token, probably has a better chance of stumbling onto a good player the higher the pick. Truth is, we're going to stay out of the NFL cellar without being a real contender as long as the status quo reigns in Dallas. If Jones isn't willing to bring in an adult to run the team's personnel and let that individual hire the right coach, we're not going anywhere next January or in the Januarys to come.
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