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If you think losing = higher draft picks = more future success

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Red Dragon, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    For there to be a 'debate' you would have to actually bring something other than "I sure hope they win! Go Cowboys!"
  2. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    No, obviously a really mature adult projects their own attacks to be those of others 'throwing tantrums'.

    I'd advise you take the time to reread the posts in the thread, do a measure of thinking, and then check yourself.

    If I were bandwagon, I wouldn't have 16,000 + posts as opposed to say... 300.

    I'm as diehard as it gets, but that doesn't mean I have to like or accept mediocrity, despite what you might think.
  3. Reverend Conehead

    Reverend Conehead Active Member

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    Thanks for rebutting that old cliche. No one is obligated to accept poor or mediocre play. A bandwagoner is someone who jumps ship to root for another team at the first sign of trouble. You're clearly not doing that, nor am I. We're just POed at a team that should have been able to build a contender by now. Three straight years of 8 and 8 (and maybe a fourth coming up) is not the first sign of trouble. Real fans have every right to be upset with that. It doesn't mean we're running off and rooting for the Saints or some other team.
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  4. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Exactly right.

    I think some fans have differing opinions of what the requirements of fandom are.

    In my heart, I want for this team to be successful and win championships and at the end of the day, all other differences aside, it's what we can all agree on.

    But when I feel that they're not doing things the right way and I'm not happy with the results, I'm going to voice my displeasure and not simply 'support my team' in all things.

    If that makes me a 'bad fan' to some people, that's their opinion.
  5. RXP

    RXP Well-Known Member

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    It's all about probabilities. The probability of a successful draft pick is higher the higher you pick. You are much more likely to get a good player at #3 than you are at #27.

    The Garrett/Jones drafts have been reasonable in recent years. We need a great draft in 2014 because the team has no cap room to improve the team through free agency.
  6. Reverend Conehead

    Reverend Conehead Active Member

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    The way I look at it is this. I have a favorite Mexican restaurant here in town. I used to love to go there as I got great Mex food for my money. However, something happened to them, I don't know what, but people started getting sick off their food. I ended up with a case of the runs, and some other people I know got sick and were throwing up. Am I obligated to keep eating there our of some sense of loyalty? Hell no! It's the same thing with a football team. If they put out a crappy product, I'm not throwing my money away on jerseys hats, helmets, whatever. This year I canceled my NFL ticket. I'll watch the game in an Internet feed if I have to, but I'm not shelling out money to a stubborn zillionaire GM who's only GM because he has beaucoup bucks. I'm hitting him in his pocketbook. Maybe, just maybe, a little financial shortfall will make him wise up and hire a real GM. That's a fan who cares, not someone who runs off and roots for the 49ers.
  7. cowboys2233

    cowboys2233 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, a lack of talent on a team is a symptom, not the problem. The real problem is incompetence in the front office. I've seen teams that consistently draft later and consistently put winning teams on the field. Higher draft choices won't make a difference, it just means that the impact of drafting bad players will be more severe than before (i.e. bigger rookie contracts, less salary cap).
  8. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    I'm right there with ya!

    I've been on a financial boycott of all things Cowboys for over two years.

    I have 'put my money where my mouth is'.

    I have expressed my disappointment, frustration, and disdain in the best way that I know how.

    Not by blindly supporting a bad product out of some misguided sense of loyalty.

    Not by shrugging my shoulders and saying "What can ya do?"

    But by voicing my displeasure and controlling that which I can control, my wallet.
  9. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Let me educate you, the Spurs would be nothing if it weren't for the tanking of the 1996-97 season to get Tim Duncan.

    How were the Colts the season before they drafted Luck #1 overall? I'll tell you 2-14, the next year they won the division and are leading it now.

    The 49ers 2006 #6 Vernon Davis
    2007 #11 Patrick Willis & #28 Joe Staley
    2009 #10 Michael Crabtree
    2010 #11 Anthony Davis & #17 Mike Iupati
    2011 #7 Aldon Smith

    These team would be nothing if it weren't for high draft picks.
  10. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    My theory is that Jerra is less prone to mess up the draft if he has a higher pick than if he has a low pick.
    Yeth, welcome to our world of hurt with Jerra at the helm.
  11. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    What are you bringing exactly to this debate?
  12. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    Why not find a new team? You really are delusional, possibly in the literal since, to think that you are going to inspire some change. That is one of the dumbest sports related things I've heard.
    I hope you read your posts here when you turn into a big girl and realize it was seriously misguided.
    So if we get good and nothing changed,as far as leadership, will you stop being a fan? How exactly would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
    Can you please actually answer the questions. I being serious.
  13. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Nothing wrong with good debate, even heated debate.

    However no need to take things to a personal level and name calling.

    So cool the jets and rethink what you post.
  14. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Facts.

    They're called facts.

    Look it up if you don't know.

    (And obviously you don't)
  15. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Considering the obvious fact that intellectually, you've 'brought a knife' to a gunfight, I'm not the least bit surprised. It's obviously not something you're capable of understanding, but to simplify it, I will not financially support a product that I am unhappy with.

    And yet again we have a clear example of the self-proclaimed 'mature adult' when faced with an intelligent debate he is incapable of engaging in, resorting to a name-calling tantrum.

    Thanks for proving the point, again.
  16. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Thank you.
  17. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    So if we get good and nothing changed,as far as leadership will you stop being a "fan". How exactly would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
    Can you please actually answer the questions. I am being serious. How would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
    Can you please actually answer the questions. I being serious.
    You're not answering this master intellect
  18. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure you know. You have only stated your opinion. That is not a fact. In fact it's a lot different
  19. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    This is a straight question. Can you answer it please.
  20. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    I completely understand your delusional idea of a powerful stance against the team. It's great for you to have a purpose and a goal.

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