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Illegals raid dismays Obama backers

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  1. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    Illegals raid dismays Obama backers
    Rights groups see broken 'commitment' on illegals policy
    by Stephen Dinan


    Immigrant rights groups blasted President Obama on Wednesday for breaking what they called his "personal commitment" to change Bush-era immigration raids after U.S. authorities raided an engine machine shop in Washington state and detained illegal immigrants.

    The Obama administration itself seemed taken aback by the raid by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, with Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano vowing to Congress that she would "get to the bottom of this."

    "The secretary is not happy and this is not her policy," a Homeland Security official said Wednesday evening, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the secretary's review is ongoing.

    White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said "these raids are not a long-term solution."

    "Secretary Napolitano is conducting a thorough review of ICE, including enforcement," Mr. Shapiro said. "The president believes we must respect due process and our best values as we enforce the law. The real answer to our broken immigration system is to fix it. The president has said that we will start the immigration reform debate this year, and this continues to be the plan."

    The raid in Bellingham, Wash., was the first major workplace enforcement action since Mr. Obama took office, but the second time a law enforcement action has angered the White House.

    A similar backlash ensued earlier this month when the Drug Enforcement Administration raided medical marijuana dispensaries in California, despite Mr. Obama's campaign pledges not to interfere with state laws on the matter. In that instance, the White House said Mr. Obama hadn't put his people in place.

    Homeland Security stepped up high-profile immigration work-site raids and took steps to improve border security after Congress in 2007 rejected President Bush´s immigration bill, which would have legalized illegal immigrants and rewritten the rules on future legal immigration.

    During last year's presidential campaign, Mr. Obama criticized immigration work-site raids as "ineffective" and said the focus instead should be on employers who hire illegal immigrants.

    Immigrant rights groups said this week's raid seemed to go against that.

    "This was a fixture of our conversations and demands with him during the campaign. It has always been one that there would be a hold on the raids or a stop to the raids until there was a through review of its effectiveness and whether it has been a fiscally responsible course of action," said Cynthia Buiza, director of policy and advocacy at the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles. "This is all about holding public officials accountable to the things they promised during the campaign."

    The National Council of La Raza urged supporters to call the White House and demand Mr. Obama lay out his immigration policy, while the National Immigration Forum said the raid was an unwelcome continuation of Bush administration policies.

    "What are Latino and immigrant voters to think? They turn out in massive numbers and vote for change and yet 'change we can believe in' turns out to be 'business as usual,' " said Ali Noorani, executive director of the forum.

    He called for a halt to the raids while Homeland Security conducts its review of immigration policies.

    In a statement, ICE said the raid was the result of a gang investigation.

    "Information derived from two gang members previously arrested in an ICE gang operation led to the initiation of the work-site investigation at Yamato Engine Specialists," said press secretary Kelly Nantel. "Follow-up investigation uncovered a potentially large number of illegally employed workers. ICE conducted the operation in order to identify and if appropriate, apprehend any unauthorized workers and to further determine potential criminal activity."

    Mr. Noorani said "ankle chains and helicopters" were both used in the raid, but Ms. Napolitano denied in her testimony to the House Homeland Security Committee that helicopters were used.

    She said she had been briefed on the raid, but still has many questions.

    "I want to get to the bottom of this as well, so I've already issued those directives to ICE to get me some answers," she said.

    She is still getting her key people in place. Mr. Obama nominated John Morton, a Justice Department official, to head ICE earlier this week.

    Ms. Napolitano said she expects ICE actions at work sites to focus on employers "who intentionally and knowingly exploit the illegal labor market."

    "That has impacts on American workers, it has impacts on wage levels, often has undue impacts on the illegal workers themselves, and our ICE efforts should be focused on those sorts of things and we should really have thought through the prosecutions that are going to result and the deportations that will result after any sort of work-force action," she said.

    Rep. Zoe Lofgren, the California Democrat who questioned Miss Napolitano on the raids, said the laws need to be enforced but said raids, including Tuesday's, have swept up legal residents and citizens as well.

    "There is concern that Americans have repeatedly, in the past years, been held in some cases for 10 and 11 hours against their will, and it does not seem to comport with the requirements of the law or the Constitution," she said, asking the secretary to address that issue in her review.
  2. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    God forbid the Department of Homeland Security enforces our laws. I understand Obama and his minions are in favor of illegals taking US citizens jobs and are in favor of identity theft, but to ridicule a department for doing their job is asinine.
  3. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    We really should not enforce immigration laws :rolleyes:
  4. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    He is against NAFTA but all in favor of having non US workers taking jobs here.
  5. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Where did Obama say he was in favor of illegals taking U.S. jobs? :huh:
  6. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    It is not what you say. Hell he can say what he wants it is about actions what will he do about illegal immigration? Will he take a tough stance I highly doubt it but we shall see.
  7. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Who was the last president that was really tough on illegal immigration. Not just talking about it but actually doing something about it.

    Just an honest question because it seems like they do a lot of talking but the problem never actually seems to get better and it seems to have been that way for some time.

    Anymore I think it is nothing more than a political talking point during primaries and elections.

    Sad really.
  8. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Ohhh. I see. He didn't say it. It's just the inference of some poster who doesn't like Obama.

    Got it. ;)
  9. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.

    Bush didn't do much about it either. And the reason is simple: Republican and Democratic politicians may talk a good game, but they covet the Hispanic vote. And taking a hard stand against illegal immigration is basically conceding the Hispanic vote to the other party.
  10. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not arguing that at all you are right none have done a damn thing about it but that does not mean the American public should not continue to demand it. Illegals do not have the right to come to this country and take jobs period. If people want to go through a process and become citizens then great I wish the best to these people but when our boarders are being flooded with illegal it has to stop. In recent times dems have hollered punish business for hiring them now we have something called e-verify which would allow business to know if a person is here legal or not and yet it is the dems who are now opposed to this. It is like they want to punish business but not give business the tools to know who they are hiring
  11. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Right, because a good old fashion Social Security Number just doesn't cut it.

    Somehow, I feel we've legislated common sense right out the door. Companies know when they're hiring illegals. They just dont want to know.
  12. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    No you don't get it you seldom do get it. I have seen what Obama ran on and it is pretty much the same watered down policy that we have and in some regards even weaker so yes he is not going to do a damn thing to stop it and if he is not going to stop then yes he has no issue with illegal’s coming to the US taking job. This BS of well bush did it? give me a break because Bush did not do it does not make it somehow alright. It is almost too funny the Obama crowd hollering about Bush but now use the excuse of saying well Bush did it? Chances are you don't live on a boarder state and have no clue what so ever of the affect it has and the cost it places on us.
  13. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    SS number? Are you kidding it is not hard to forge document it is done all the time. E-Verify will remove any doubt. Sorry no not always do companies know if they are hiring illegal’s or not and if you’re wrong get ready for the ACLU coming down on employers for questioning a person’s legality.
  14. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I don't care who does it. I just wish it would get fixed.

    Heck I am even for fast tracking citizenship if they meet and maintain certain criteria or standards.

    But man alive we do not seem to build walls or do much at the border. I would like to get that fixed and then work on the problem of those here.

    Like I said...I don't care who does it, I just wish it was more action and less political talk about it.
  15. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    :rolleyes:

    I think I'll start a muggers rights group. Everyone should enjoy rights, whether or not they are abiding by the laws.

    After that I'll start a car jackers rights group, and then a serial killers rights group.
  16. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Well, that's your interpretation. I took issue with the emphathetic statement that he favored illegal immigrants taking jobs from American citizens.

    As for "taking" jobs from Americans, you mean the jobs that most Americans don't want to do?

    And, please, let's stop the "you don't have a clue" arguments. That doesn't nothing to bolster your position.
  17. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with that either. I think the process can and should be speeded up. I'm not against people coming here I only expect people to come to this country legally and paying their fair share. We have a certain obligation to help the poor here we should not have be obligated to fund the poor coming from other countries here illegally but we do and it is costly for the cities and counties along the border.
  18. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    And it's not hard to do a government search on SS numbers either.

    As I've said before, companies pretty much know whether they're hiring illegal immigrants or not.
  19. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Oh, and for the record, I'm against illegal immigration too.

    But the solution is not as simplistic as people want to make it seem.
  20. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    The problem IMO is not whether it is a simplistic or hard problem to work on...the problem IMO is that they talk and talk about it but never do anything about it.

    What was it a year or two ago they passed some kind of bill to build a fence for a big stretch of the border but goofiest part was they never funded it so it was like...we are going to build a fence but we are not going to pay to get the fence that we are going to build.

    Just crazy crap like that. Boy they will talk a big game around election times but soon it is just dropped after they get the votes.

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