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Interesting discussion on race on ESPN First Take

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by CowboysFanSince88, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. CowboysFanSince88

    CowboysFanSince88 Well-Known Member

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    Yesterday they were talking about TEBOW of course and how patience coaches and the GM is with him because he is a white QB. Then brought up how a black QB has to play on a SUPERSTAR level or he is out of the league. You never see a black QB as a 2 or 3 rd string only white QB"s. Cordell stewart on there talking about how he felt like he wasn't given a fair opportunity with the Bears after a few bad games.

    THat's a good point because it's a white QB who has had several bad games for years and still is a starter.........."Rex Grossman" LOL


    But I never thought about the black QB having to be a STAR or CUT until it was brought up yesterday. They pointed out how you can't be a average black QB in the NFL.
  2. Cowboys&LakersFan

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    Vick is an average black QB and he's still the Eagles starting QB.
  3. CowboysFanSince88

    CowboysFanSince88 Well-Known Member

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    I know and you know that Vick is ABOVE average as much as it pains me to say it. If he was average the Eagles would have finished 6-10 instead of 8-8.
  4. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    It was an interesting discussion that I think may have some merit. It would need a bigger study than a couple of guys sitting around on First Take talking about it, though.
  5. CowboysFanSince88

    CowboysFanSince88 Well-Known Member

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    Bigger study??? Let's look at this season

    Mcnabb a 35 year black QB who was not called by any team

    Jeff Garcia a 41 year QB who hasn't played in 3 years was called to be a 3rd string?
  6. Cowboys&LakersFan

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    Dude look at his numbers from this year. 18 touchdowns, 14 picks. That's average. He's a great athlete, but when it comes to being an NFL QB he's average. If he was above average the Eagles would've made the playoffs.
  7. CowboysFanSince88

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    Average Passer with SPEED and ELUSIVENESS. Now if he didn't have that then he would be a overall average QB. His running is what keeps him as a starter
  8. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I don't know if it is a valid argument or not. Really have not looked that close at it.

    However I will say that you kind of hurt your argument a little with Kordell Stewart saying he did not get a fair shot in Chicago...I think he got way more than a fair shot in Pittsburgh because Cowher liked him and played him longer than he should have. But that is just my opinion.
  9. CowboysFanSince88

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    He said he didn't get a fair shot in chicago but had a long run in Pittsburgh
  10. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Yeah I think it kind of cancels out the chicago thing because he had a much longer run in Pittsburgh than he should have because of Cowher liking him. I also seem to recall him crying on the sidelines because he was pulled.

    Just not sure he is the person you would want making the argument or using him as part of your argument.

    I am sure there are much better examples out there.
  11. Hoofbite

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    Tavaris Jackson?

    How about the Webb guy who's a backup?

    Troy Smith backing people up.

    Who's the QB Tampa had, King? Backup.

    Steelers have 2 black backups?
  12. CowboysFanSince88

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    The point they are making is a black QB is usually not a backup that long. Most white QB's make a career out of being a backup QB like

    Kerry Collins
    Todd Collins
    Mark Brunell


    once these black QB's fell to backup status they vanished from the league

    doug williams
    Dante Culpepper
    Aaron Brooks
  13. Cowboys&LakersFan

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    I guess Tebow is a starting QB too then. :rolleyes:
  14. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    29 QBs have won the SB
    27 are white, 1 is Native American (Plunkett), and 1 is black (Williams)

    35 QBs have lost the SB
    33 are white, 2 are black (McNair, McNabb)


    So, 60 white QBs have started the SB, 3 black QBs, and 1 Native American.

    I am not trying to make a case for white vs black QBs.....I was just curious about the numbers so I looked them up. BTW, the numbers do make quite a bit of sense, seeing as how having a black QB was quite taboo up until the mid-late 80s.....and even then, they were not given much of a chance, with the exception of a few like Williams, Cunningham, and Moon.
  15. CowboysFanSince88

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    Tebow is BELOW AVERAGE which is why they started the discussion
  16. CowboysFanSince88

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    i still want to know why the Texans called a 41 year old white QB but not a 35 year old black QB-(Mcnabb) to be a 3rd string
  17. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    McNabb sucks....that is why. Look how bad he was with Washington and the Vikings.


    BTW, Garcia may be pasty, but he is hispanic not white.
  18. CowboysFanSince88

    CowboysFanSince88 Well-Known Member

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    Mcnabb is good enough to be a 3rd string and you know that
  19. Cowboys&LakersFan

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    No he's not. He's DONE.
  20. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    McNabb really hurt his value when he didn't put forth any effort with the Skins or Vikings . When the word got out that he was lazy , and it was confirmed , nobody wanted him . I didn't think he was much more than average for the last few years with Philly .

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