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Interesting read on Eagles drafting college graduates

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by Joe Realist, May 21, 2014.

  1. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Your link suggests an unfortunate view. Education and Human Services like social work and counseling are vital to society. Yet they pay crap. Most people I know in those areas aren't in it to get rich. There are substantial rewards in those fields beyond money.
  2. AmberBeer

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    Then you should know better.
  3. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    You know at many universities, org mgt is in the psych department... Does this make those degrees not worth the money?
  4. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    My entrepreneurial training (self-taught) has been far more worthwhile to me.
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  5. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Does it?
  6. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    Your success at being a self taught entrepreneur was probably in large part due to your college background. I'm not going to argue the merits of having a college degree being more beneficial than not.
  7. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    It is very rare that someone can pick up what they need on their own. But when someone does learn something on their own, they tend to think it was all them
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  8. Denim Chicken

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    Looks like you're right

    From FORBES:

    While 69% of business owners surveyed had attended college (well above the national average), only 68% of this college grad group said they believed this education made a difference in their success. Compare that to 86% of the general population who believe college remains a good investment – albeit an increasingly expensive one. Only 61% of all business owners felt a college education was very or somewhat important for success in today’s economy – a number that stands in stark contrast to the general public sentiment on the value of a college degree. Lumina Foundation/Gallup research from February finds that a whopping 97% of Americans still believe that a college education is at least somewhat important for both career success and financial stability
  9. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Sure. And there is an incredible bias here. From the "all I ever needed i taught myself" delusion to the failures who blame college for not teaching them "right." Just because you own a business doesn't mean you accurately perceive reality
  10. Denim Chicken

    Denim Chicken Well-Known Member

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    You wouldn't happen to work in academia?
  11. AbeBeta

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    Sure do and I see day after day the positive impact I have on graduate's careers.

    Also, I can likely point to five flaws in the survey you cite if you provide the method
  12. Denim Chicken

    Denim Chicken Well-Known Member

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    That make your comment about bias amusing.
  13. AbeBeta

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    I have no stake in people coming to college -- you could carve out 30% of the students who come and it wouldn't affect me at all. In fact, you'd be doing me a favor as those less academically inclined would be out of the picture.
  14. AbeBeta

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    1. Method flaw -- The survey cited here - Manta Q2SB - provided options of Extremely important - Important - Indifferent - Not important - No value. Lumina's options were very important - somewhat important - Not very important - Not at all important. There is a bushel of research indicating that you get vastly different responses when you have a neutral category (indifferent) vs. no neutral category. In short, an apples and oranges comparison

    2. Sampling - Manta's survey was a general survey of their members. Lumina/Gallup a randomized national sample. Convenience sample vs. scientific sampling approach used to provide a good representation of the population of interest. Again, apples and oranges.

    3. Sampling - even better. Of the millions of companies registered with Manta, they managed to snag under 1000 responses to their questionnaire. Brutally low response rate.

    4. "Success in today's economy" was not the question -- it was about "success in the working world' - more importantly, the other questions in the survey had to do with who they had hired and what sort of degrees they held. The question was clear in the context of whether they felt there staff needed a college degree. Seeing that many positions hired for at small businesses are clerical or customer service related, it seems reasonable to suggest you don't need a college degree in those roles. That doesn't say much about whether you need a degree for higher levels of accomplishment.

    5. Tons of small business people are contractors. Although there are many complicated aspects to these positions and many skills involved, these certainly are not the sort of things learned on a college campus - so I expect whatever proportion of the sample reflected these businesses likely go an answer of "not important" - again, duh.
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  15. Denim Chicken

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    Statistics professor?
  16. AbeBeta

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    Yes, but not in the way most people think. Very much applied rather than theoretical
  17. OhSnap

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    I wonder if a degree could be over rated since players are not likely to be on the team 5 years down the road but it has the ring of the RKG approach. I doubt that it ever get's ridiculed as much as Garretts standards for finding players have been.
  18. AbeBeta

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    I'd say it depends on the situation. Obviously a guy who leaves school early isn't likely to have a degree. But if you are looking at guys who redshirted and had five years on campus, you'd really hope they completed a degree. Athletes get some outstanding academic support (tutors etc.) - I'd be concerned about a player who didn't embrace that opportunity
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  19. Hoofbite

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    Do you have one?
  20. Hoofbite

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    Garrett's standards differ very little from just about every other standard out there.

    The Eagle's would be the first team I have heard of that actually places a premium on successful completion of school.

    Most teams across the league don't care.
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