Is it a rebuild or not?

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  1. OhSnap

    OhSnap Well-Known Member

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    Jerry said 3 years ago the Cowboys weren't rebuilding and said the same thing a week ago so I took a look at 3 coaching changes. Two were obvious rebuilding programs, Johnson and Parcells. Looking at the roster the season before they were hired and counting the number of players still there after the 3rd year to compare with the current coach and program/process.

    In 1991 Jimmy Johnson had at least 10 holdovers from the 1988 season: K. Martin, M. Irvin, K. Gogan, N. Newton, J. Jeffcoat, K. Norton, M. Saxon, B. Bates and Robert Williams.

    In 2005 Bill Parcells had 6 holdovers from the 2002 season: A. Gurode, G. Ellis, L. Glover, R. Williams(S), L. Scott and L. Allen.

    Last year Jason Garrett had 13 players left from the 2010 season: D. Bryant, T. Romo, M. Austin, J. Witten, D. Free, J. Hatcher, S. Lee, D. Ware, A. Spencer, L.P. Ladouceur, O. Skandrick, B. Church, and D. McCray.

    The biggest difference is the one that Jerry pointed out "you don't rebuild with Romo", Parcells and Johnson had to have upgrades at the QB position. The biggest similarities(IMO) is the is the lack of depth and quality starters when they started. I think all three made coordinator adjustments although my memory is fuzzy on Parcells either because he didn't or because no one questioned it or made a big deal. Johnson did switch from Shula to Turner and Jason's change's have been WELL documented and are probably on file at the Smithsonian. All three have been reported to put in their own programs and even though Jerry has undoubtedly had more influence on J.G.'s it's up to the individual to decide how much.

    My conclusion: Jerry doesn't see a rebuilding program and it's probably not Jerry speak when he says it, he expected more wins in 2011 than 2010 when he said they weren't rebuilding and and he expects more this year than last, it's up to you to decide if he was or is being unrealistic but the words "rebuilding year" to most people mean that a bottoming out year will follow. With Jimmy it was 1-15 in 1989 and with Parcells it was 6-10 in 2004. I think if you start a year with a new coach and as many new key players as JG did it's technically a rebuild but maybe him and Stephen didn't let Jerry know.
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  2. DTown214

    DTown214 Well-Known Member

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    As long as Romo is our starting quarterback we aren't rebuilding, simple as that.
  3. jazzcat22

    jazzcat22 Well-Known Member

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    rebuilding is a
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  4. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Do you have a franchise QB?

    Yes = not rebuilding

    No = rebuilding
  5. ceerrece

    ceerrece Active Member

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    No, because Jerry lives in denial... Romo will never carry Dallas to a Super Bowl, simple as that.
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  6. PA Cowboy Fan

    PA Cowboy Fan Well-Known Member

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    Which is why we always end up 8-8.
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  7. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    I said it last offseason when people said we should tear it up and rebuild and i'll say it again this year. How do you rebuild from a team of 20 year olds?
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  8. Doomsay

    Doomsay Well-Known Member

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    It's neither a rebuild nor a playoff run, FO can't stomach the former and cant afford the later. Perhaps some better health and luck will be good enough to sneak us past our NFCE peers, I think that that is the plan anyway.
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  9. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    Well that's a bit unfair being we had the worst defense in the league last year.........might have to do with being 8-8. Just a bit.....
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  10. DTown214

    DTown214 Well-Known Member

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    Well so be it. I'm just saying, Jerry won't officially "tank" until his boy Romo is retired.
  11. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Rebuilding on the fly, defense with the releases the Cowboys have made and the fact we are heading into the 2nd year of this defense there is changes that must take place.
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  12. dogberry

    dogberry Well-Known Member

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    Was it BTB that counted 13 players on the team from the opening day roster 2011. We look like the Imperial Guard after Waterloo.
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  13. jday

    jday Well-Known Member

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    This is all you need ask yourself to know about Jerry's unwillingness to ever say the words "rebuild." Ticket sales would take a huge hit if he ever admitted that, so why would he? In fact, if you lack understanding as to specifically why Jerry needs to hire a GM, you need only ask yourself the same question. The problem with Jerry as a GM is the majority of moves are with ticket sales in mind, not winning a championship. Unfortunately, building a winning team and selling tickets far too often require different offseason moves.
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  14. OhSnap

    OhSnap Well-Known Member

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    I think winning a championship would probably be the best way to sell tickets but if he were going to openly say the word "rebuild" he would probably limit the fall off in ticket sales by bringing in a big name coach like he did with Parcells. He's savvy enough to rebuild without loosing money in my opinion if thats what he want's to do.
  15. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    They have been rebuilding sections or units of the team. Free is the only online men from a few years ago. Now Dez is the WR with the most years on the team. They signed Carr and drafted MO with Oscan being the longest term DB on the team. They have church and a bunch of young guys in the safety core.

    The D line is going to be pretty much all new from the starters going into last year.

    So Jerry can lie to himself by saying it is not a full team rebuild right now but it is clear they have been rebuilding sections and units on this team the last few years.

    One possible silver lining is that when they do decide to replace Romo, they SHOULD have a decent core of young but experienced players on both sides of the ball.
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  16. BoysFan4ever

    BoysFan4ever Well-Known Member

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    To me they are rebuilding. I don't expect much as long as Garrett is there.
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  17. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    Didn't Jerry himself say they were "retooling" or is that what the media called it?
  18. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    He may have said something along those lines but I don't recall hearing it.
  19. zrinkill

    zrinkill Trollslayer +4 Zone Supporter

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    Nail on Head
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