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Is it time to declare Claiborne a bust?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by AmberBeer, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    One of the problems is the front-office touted Mo as the best CB in 25 years to come into the league since Deion when in reality he was going to be, at best, a Joe Hayden type. No shame is being compared to Joe Hayden, however, he hasnt' even come close to that yet.
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  2. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    Our secondary sucked when Ware was getting double-digit sacks. They are probably the bottom 5 worst secondaries in the NFL.
  3. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Oh man. Yeah, people were open to trade Dez for Percy "I never play" Harvin when it was proposed back in pre-season to early 2012.

    That said, I think there's a difference between Tyron, Dez and Claiborne. I'm not giving up on Claiborne, but don't expect him to be a top 5 corner in this league like I expected of Dez and Tyron at their respective positions.
  4. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    The befuddlement, Mr. Irish R&B player whose drivers license photo looks like a future . . ., is that you half to see beyond. Look beyond the big picture.
    That is all.
  5. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I agree. This will be the telling season for Mo. Last year should have been, but the injuries hampered him considerably.

    That scout rating came from a Jerry quote. I'd really like to hear what was actually said, because I'd bet that the scouts rated him in the Deion-category in a specific area of his game (playing the ball in the air, whatever) and not overall, and then Jerry embellished it. I'm pulling that out of my backside, but I don't see how anybody could watch Mo play and compare him to Deion. Not knocking Mo as a candidate coming out of college, but nobody's been in Deion's stratosphere as a cover CB since Deion left the league. Even Revis, or now, Sherman, aren't really close.
  6. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    Deion was much smarter than Claiborne who can't tie his shoes without help. They give the Wonderlic test for a reason. Jerry just has his own way of evaluating talent and that's whomever can put butts in the seats is draft worthy.
  7. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    The problem is, for a CB, the only way to "flash talent" is through kick returns and interceptions, neither of which are necessary to be playing effectively at cornerback. A CB can be a shutdown guy and not have much in the way of INTs. What flashes more than anything to me, is not hearing his name called much when he is playing (his last 5 or 6 games in particular). That speaks volumes more to me than if he jumped a couple routes. Especially with the front seven on this team. Sure more interceptions would be great, but it's not the primary thing I look for in a CB.
  8. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    What did Deion get on the wonderlic?
  9. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    No idea. Just listen to Deion talk and Claiborne talk and it will tell you all you need to know. He's that slow. There's a reason you don't hear Claiborne much since he got drafted.
  10. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    I don't equate vocalization skills to intelligence.
  11. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    That's your miss.
  12. CyberB0b

    CyberB0b Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I don't know, but that Jerry curl had to be worth at least 30 points by itself.

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  13. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    There's mountains of evidence to the contrary. It's on display every day.
  14. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Jerry was not the only person who rated Claiborne hig, most had him as a top 5. The guy has been injured his ability he has that which is why every fricken scout saw him as a top selection. Give it a rest, the guy struggled with injuries and I'm the frist to say if he can stay healthy he does us no good but some of the claimes you are making is beyond lame.
  15. Prossman

    Prossman Active Member

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    . Does it really shock you that there were people who thought Dez was a bust on this board? He got hurt his first couple years and broke out in his third. I'm in the parcells camp on give a guy three years before you judge them. Mo has been hurt his fist couple of years and missed atleast 1 TC. TBH our pressure from our front 7 was God Awful. Our dbs were asked to cover WAY to long. And we had way to many young dbs forced into action prematurely. Heath was suppose to be a special teams guy and had to start. Hayden was out 5th best tackle and ended up starting all year. What 19 different starters on our defensive line? It's a perfect circle. a good defensive line help the secondary and visa versa. Also a bad defensive line hurts the dbs like bad dbs can hurt the dline.
  16. Cebrin

    Cebrin Well-Known Member

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    I won't call him a bust yet but, I will say we gave WAY too much for him.
  17. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Not really point wise

    •The Cowboys got value in the trade. The draft pick value calculator shows that they paid 1550 points (14 + 45) for 1600 points (6). Further, the chart suggests that such a move up should have cost Dallas their fourth rounder in addition to the second they gave up. Clearly, the Rams wanted to trade out, and were willing to take lesser value than their pick was worth do do so.

    http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012...-about-cowboys-first-rounder-morris-claiborne
  18. Cebrin

    Cebrin Well-Known Member

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    The draft pick calculator so far is wrong. If he turns out to be a full on bust that is. That's all I am saying. So far he has clearly not played at a pick 6, instant starter, trade up and lose other draft picks level. Not even close.
  19. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree but in terms that draft day move it was not too high. As far as now I agree he has not lived up to the pick and I do think much of it is due to injury and as I have said many times if he is not on the field then he is of no use to us. Talent wise yes I believe in the guy but he must find a way to stay on the field and produce
  20. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Oh brother. Here we go again.

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