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Is Palin the New McCarthy?

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by ABQCOWBOY, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Government mandates or interference may not be good things, but that does not equate to them being a death panel.
  2. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    That is what is coming close to happening in Holland ever since they put through their right to die legislation and their euthanisia legislation. There have been editorials in the most left leaning newspapers talking about peoples "responsibility" to society to not be a drain. Just the first step.
  3. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree the Republicans ran a poor race I do think Obama was given more of a free ride then I have seen before. Even the Clinton machine saw it. Many times Obama would answer a question with no follow up at all on his comment as if there was no need. I don't blame the media for the loss of the election I do hold the media accountable for coddling Obama throughout the process.
  4. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    Considering the number of bills floating around, I am not sure either of us truly know what they plan for us, but the portion of the bills I have read are written so vaguely they could mean almost anything.
  5. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    No, it didn't even mandate that. All it required was that insurance companies pay for the visits if the patient wanted to undergo counseling. It would have been an entirely voluntary thing.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/18/health.care.definitions/
  6. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Yeah you hardly hear ANYTHING about Edwards. BUT we got all sorts of coverage of the SC Governor. But hay according to some there is no real bias, or that Fox News balances out CNN, MSNBC, NBC, NYTimes, etc.
  7. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    You just made your own point. Palin is staying in the spotlight by making speeches and posting on Facebook. I don't believe Edwards is doing the same.

    Also, he is not going to have future aspirations of being president. She is. You can't really put the two in the same category from that aspect. Now if he does say he is going to run again, then you can.
  8. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    It also does not disqualify that assumption. As you and I both know Josee, it is typically the people who follow on that take advantage of legislation. If the possability is there, it is likely that eventually, somebody is going to take advantage of it.
  9. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    oh come on. You can BET that if Edwards had been a republican there would have been a lot more MSM coverage.
  10. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    I agree. People suck. The wording has to be done in such a way to minimize such things from happening.

    In the big picture these kinds of things already happen with the current insurance/health care system. People are turned down for coverage and such. If we are going to say there will be government sponsored death panels we have to admit that death panels already exist.
  11. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    There was a lot of coverage. More than I care to watch. Same with Gov. Sanford. Do you still want coverage on Edwards? He hasn't been around in a while. Do you want more coverage on Sanford. That is kind of yesterday's news as well. Palin was yesterday's news, but she says something almost every day. She is not planning on going away. It is like TO. If you keep doing interviews and your own reality show people are going respond. Well, some people. Once TO left I would not click on threads that had TO in the title.
  12. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    See, I have to disagree. I don't think that the bill is anymore vague than the majority of legislation that gets passed. Now, I certainly haven't read through the entire bill, but I've probably gone over about 100 pages where major issues have been involved. It is possible that I've misunderstood what I've read, but the majority of concerns that I've seen have been based on contextual issues. Some things do sound vague and in some cases scary unless it's understood in the context of the rest of the title and subtitles.

    I'm by no means saying that this is a perfect bill or that changes don't need to be made, but I do think that a lot of the concerns are unfounded. I also think that the promotion of those concerns takes away from some of the real issues that could be addressed. For instance, I think that there's a legitimate debate to be had on the merits of a public option. It's a classic debate over the ability of the market to regulate itself vs. the need for hard regulation in the form of a non-competitive entity. I would argue that the public option would ultimately hurt the goals of the bill, so I'm glad that it's been taken out. However, I think it was taken out more based on concerns of "socialism" than on the economics of health care.

    Just my opinion.
  13. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I think that the difference here is that with a Government Option, their is no ability to pony up for whatever it might take to get it done, if it came to that.

    In a Government option, they are essentially the final say. It's a bit different but I do agree with you. On the surface, what the President is describing is a good idea. Unfortunately, it leaves a lot of wiggle room in play.
  14. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    And that is where are leaders are failing us. Instead of working on compromises and solutions they just bicker and play party politics. It doesn't matter which party holds the majority, they truly fail to accomplish something important and move forward. There are solutions to be had if they worked together. They don't.
  15. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I can not disagree.
  16. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    I forgot to make my final point on Palin. She is not McCarthy. She is Hitler. Just kidding. I really don't like articles that use extreme comparisons to make a point. I don't agree with a lot of what Palin says, but she is not Sen. McCarthy. It is a bad article and comparison.
  17. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    You don't think creating lists of people, having people rat others out, claiming you are guilty until proven innocent, is similar? Sure Joey didn't have a gulag to send people to but come on, he used many of the same tactics.

    Sarah is nowhere like him.
  18. CanadianCowboysFan

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    gee a politician scored on the side and didn't admit it, will wonders never cease.

    Sarah isn't admitting her husband is sleeping in another room and their marriage is over.
  19. Rogah

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    Do you honestly believe that a former VP nominee posting on Facebook is more newsworth than a former VP nominee cheating on his cancer-stricken wife, fathering a child out of wedlock and misappropriating campaign funds? Gimme a break.
    Bullcrap. He was actively campaigning and running for President when this story first broke - and the MSM first started ignoring it.

    But we all sure do know about Bristol Palin's personal life, now don't we..?
  20. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, he scored on the side behind the back of his cancer stricken wife (after preaching to us all about how wonderfully happy he was in his marriage with their anniversary date at Wendy's, etc, etc), fathered a child out of wedlock, violated campaign laws by sending campaign money to his mistress, and put all the blame on a campaign aid.

    Oh, but wait... nevermind all that and stop the presses..!! Bristol Palin's former fiancee wants to give an interview..!! :bang2: :bang2:

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