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Is Parnell the only player on the team with a superbowl ring?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by newnationcb, Jun 30, 2013.

  1. jobberone

    jobberone Save the Snow Leopard Staff Member

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    Why in the world would I need to read or respond to an article written by the famous Archie Barberio:

    [paste:font size="4"]Archie Barberio - SB Nation Dallas 翻译此页
    Archie Barberio is 27 years old and resides in New York. He is a loyal Dallas Cowboys fan and follows the team 365 days a year. After writing many FanPosts, ...


    If you post something from someone who either works with the guy like his OL coaches who love the kid or a scout, coach or even an analyst whose opinion means something when they discuss OL then I'll read it and consider it. But don't throw stuff from a fan up here as a legitimate source and try to defend it much less ask someone to reply to it. I've watched the guys' film and everything other people I know have watched it have the same opinion as I do. That's not the strongest validation but it means something....at least to me. More importantly people who know and have been around the game for a long time including working with this player and his coaches say the same things. That's significant validation.
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  2. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    This guy is giving an opinion just like everyone else and the take I got from you was that before you even investigated who wrote the article you disregarded it because the opinion given didn't fit with yours or the opinion of those you listen to. Parnell's career up to this point is the only validation I need to tell me he'll unlikely amount to anything more than a serviceable player. He wasn't drafted and the Cowboys are the 3rd team that's taken a look at him since 09 and they're taking a real close look because they're in desperate need of OL help.

    Parnell is entering his 4th official season and has only one start. If he had all the athletic and physical tools to be better than Tyron as you or the people you listen to claim he would have been drafted and be starting for someone by now. Gifted OT's don't just bounce around from team to team. Parnell is obviously a project that the Cowboys are willing to invest time on because they're in serious need on the OL especially with Free struggling.

    The worst Doug Free looks the better Parnell looks that's what it comes down to. I like most Cowboy fans are pulling for Parnell because I want Free out of there but if he's going to help solidify the OL it has to start happening in 2013. He'll be 27 in July he's in the prime of his career and he needs to step up and take advantage of the opportunity he will certainly be given.
  3. jobberone

    jobberone Save the Snow Leopard Staff Member

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    I knew it wasn't worth reading because it's totally untrue and without foundation. I only googled the guy after clicking on the link to see who had written the nonsense. I still haven't read the article nor will I.

    This is a strawman's argument meant to deflect from the facts. Who cares what Archie the fan from New York says as far as using it as a reference. I'll bet Archie is a great guy and wonderful Cowboy fan and he may know way more than the casual fan but he's not reference material. Calahan says he's a player and I don't remember Calahan or anyone else saying anything remotely like what you or Archie are saying. Nor have I seen that from watching his play. If you want to say you disagree with me and others here who I know have watched his film then that's ok. We'll just agree to disagree. Just don't tell me I need an article on the internet to counter what Archie says.

    Parnell gave up several sacks at a pretty good clip but they were mental errors not physical or technical ones. He just didn't try to block the guy at all. They should be able to coach that problem away. He's got LT talent o/w. In fact I'm absolutely amazed at how much he changed from 2011 to 2012. I figured the guy was a waste of time and the only reason he was on the team was because we just didn't have anyone else to put out there. Boy was I wrong.
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  4. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Anytime an article is posted that doesn't support someones opinion they'll disregard it claiming it's untrue regardless of the source. I've posted articles by some of the most respected NFL sports writers in the business like Pat Kirwan, Vic Carucci and John Clayton and they've been called wrong because their opinion didn't fit with the opinion of someone here. Callahan says Parnell is a player what coach doesn't say something like that about one of their players? Most coaches won't say anything negative about a player to the media especially any coach affiliated with the Cowboys. You don't hear any of the coaches bashing Free if you listen to them he's playing fine for the most part. They're going to keep everything positive but the fact is regardless of all the great things being said about Parnell he's still playing behind crappy Doug Free.

    A coach can gush over a player all they want but if that player isn't starting they're obviously not where they need to be. What validates what's being said about a player is them being in the starting lineup. Free was awful last season and Parnell is still backing him up so Callahan can talk Parnell up all he wants but nothing he's saying can be validated until Parnell is starting and playing well. I'm sure with all the dumping everyone has done on Free and the pay cut he was forced to take will have him motivated and ready to play this season. Regardless the Cowboys have just about had it with Free and it won't take much for the them to go with Parnell. Hopefully the change will be because Parnell is the better option and not just another option.
  5. Eskimo

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    I think they knew Free was the better option last year but they just wanted to see how Parnell would react to getting more snaps.

    The whole rotation business basically started after he played 1.5 games in place of Tyron and looked decent doing it against two very good defenses in Cleveland and Cincinnati.

    He played quite well in the last few rotation games but has some holes to work on due to lack of experience. The guy didn't just change positions - he basically didn't play football in college. When he started playing he was bounced around between DE, DT and TE his first couple of years before the Cowboys took him off of the Saints' PS and stuck him at OT. He has stayed there the past two seasons with us.

    I think he has amazing physical tools for the job. He just needs a bit of game experience. I really hope he gets a ton of snaps this preseason including some with the #1s so we get him more gametime which is what he needs more than anything else.

    I really think we may have lucked out here. Kind of like how we lucked out with Austin and Romo. We managed to find a guy with elite tools at an impact position from out of nowhere although it did take a few years of development to get them ready for the pro game. I am really excited to see what he does this year.
  6. 5Stars

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    What's wrong, jobberone? You don't believe some 27 year old kid from New York that know that Parnell is weak and gets knocked backwards? I mean come on, Sir! The kid is 27!!
  7. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    So, KJJ, is there any player on the team that you cannot find something bad to talk about him? That seems to be your M.O. In almost any post that tries to praise a player you always find something to complain about the guy. Romo, Tyron, Parnelll, or any other player that may come up in a thread that tries to root for the guy or praise the guy you google all over the place to find something bad to say about the guy!

    If someone were to say Witten is one of, or the best, TE in the league, I would bet money that you will post some rambling post about how much better other TE's are in the NFL because some random kid or other fan says that he is not, and that is your proof.

    And, if a coach that actually sees the guys everyday say something good about him, it's always "well, a coach is always going to say good things about the guy" and you dismiss that altogether, but some random kid or some other media outlet that does not see a guy every day can say something from across the land about how bad the player is, and you post it as proof that you win the debate. I bet you can google bad things to say about every Cowboy player on the team, that seems to be what you do best.
  8. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    The difference is we found Romo and Austin before anyone else did. Parnell was on the Saints practice squad and was released by Miami in 2010 before the Cowboys picked him up. Both Romo and Austin became starters in their 4th year and the 2013 season will be Parnells 4th official season so if he's going to be a player he needs to step up this season. The Cowboys are really down on Free so Parnell has a great opportunity ahead of him.
  9. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Size and strength are part of his physical tools. He came into the NFL at 270 lbs, maybe less.

    He didn't have the same physical tools (size, strength) in 2010 or 2011 that he had in 2012. He definitely didn't have the same physical tools when he was with NO or Miami.

    Dallas decided to use a roster spot to develop Parnell and he was able to get bigger and stronger. They have also used a roster spot on David Arkin and it appears that he did not get much stronger. At the time Parnell was with NO or Miami, those teams didn't know if he would become the 2012/2013 version of Parnell of the 2012 version of David Arkin.
  10. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    This is why I'm not sold on Parnell Free was awful last season so the fact that Parnell only got one start tells me the team still isn't sure about him. The 2013 season is going to be a critical year for Garrett and several players including Parnell. He's entering his 4th season and is going to be 27 in July. If he's going to become player that can help solidify the OL it has to happen this upcoming season.
  11. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Parnell has gotten bigger and stronger but if you go back to last season he still needs some work. If he was where he needed to be he would have easily taken over for Free last season. Parnell is a work in progress and if he's going to be more than just a serviceable player who can be a fixture on the OL for the next several years it has to happen in 2013. You don't see many players who are approaching 30 all of a sudden become great players. Parnell started his NFL career in 09 so he's had plenty of time to develop into a starter especially for a team that's had poor OL play the past several years.

    If he can't become a starter for the Cowboys on their OL good luck finding a starting job somewhere else. Like I mentioned in my earlier posts I'm pulling for Parnell but if he's going to be a viable player on the Cowboys OL for years to come he has to be able to beat out a crappy player like Doug Free. It's not like he's trying to unseat a Larry Allen, Jonathan Ogden or Orlando Pace.
  12. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    It was reported that Callahan preferred Parnell but his bosses were reluctant to change. I'm not sure if that was Jerry or Garrett or both.
  13. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    It's not all on Parnell. Team management has to be willing to play him and live with some mistakes. No player is going to step on the field and immediately be great with Zero experience. Most players at least have multiple years of playing football in college and high school before they step on an NFL field. At this point he could probably improve more by starting 8 games than by practicing another 10 years.
  14. 5Stars

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    You know you are going to be wrong either way you look at it. Good luck with your convo with KJJ.

    :D
  15. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    That means there's differing opinions on Parnell within the team. You would have thought as BAD as Free was last season the Cowboys would have just gone ahead and benched him for Parnell to see what he could do the rest of the season. There was obviously some issues with his play when he got opportunities that kept the team from going with him full time. All last season all we heard was how terrible Free was. Practically every presser Garrett was having to answer questions about Free's poor play. I'm certainly not saying Parnell is a bad player he clearly has potential but it is a little discouraging that he hasn't yet taken over for Free as bad as he's been.

    Garrett and Jerry were bombarded by questions about Free's poor play last season and even they had to admit he didn't play well at times. Naturally they sugar coated their comments but Jerry let Free know how he really felt about his play by forcing him to take a big pay cut. One bad series by Free may be all it will take for the Cowboys to yank him and go with Parnell so he has to be ready to seize the opportunity or they'll be looking to replace him in the near future. He's either going to step up and be a fixture on the OL for years to come or just a stopgap.

    Sometimes a player can be playing so poorly a team has no other alternative but to throw someone else out there in hopes they can do better. Hopefully that won't be the case when Parnell eventually takes over for Free. I want him to earn the job not have it be handed to him simply because he's the next guy in line.
  16. xwalker

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    Not necessarily. I probably means that some people that were responsible for signing Free to a big contract wanted more time for Free to improve and prove them right.

    If you're a stock investor, it does not matter how low the stock goes as long as it is high when you sell it. Somebody was hoping that Free's stock could end up on a high if given enough time. It could be the reason that they paid Free 3.5M this season instead of paying Clabo 3.5M.

    The Front Office even made statements this off-season about how Felix was did everything that they expected when the drafted him. They refused to admit that he was not a great draft pick.

    It wouldn't be the 1st time that this team or other teams played an inferior player because he had a big contract or some other reason, like draft pick status.

    There was a story last year where the OL coach of the Jets was quoted as saying that the GM forced him to play the GM's draft pick at OG on at least 1/2 of the snaps. The OL coach said it made him sick to play the inferior player.
  17. jobberone

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    The bolded above are my responses. I'm no longer interested in this debate. You can have the last word.
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  18. jobberone

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    Free played because Parnell wasn't mentally ready and lacked experience. He gained valuable game time last year and proved he can play in this league. That's the reason why they continued to play Free as well as let Free both gain experience and accept the new blocking schemes. I don't think there was a conspiracy to play Free no matter how superior athletically Parnell is. But I don't disagree with xwalker's post about teams putting high picks on the field at times.
  19. jobberone

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    Lucked out may be an understatement. We hit the lottery with this guy. He's still got to clean up his mental errors before we start crowing but I really don't see that as a problem. I thought this guy was a project very unlikely to work out. I saw the coaches film on him and couldn't believe my eyes for a bit. If he works out then we'll have some leverage at LT negotiations down the road. And if Smith goes down then he can slip over there and leave Free at RT. We are doing a great job finding talent with low picks and UDFAs.
  20. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    That someone who signed Free to that contract also has his money and a big chunk of his ego invested in his HC who he's going to have a tough time selling on the fans, players and everyone else if the Cowboys don't finally have a good season under him after 3 years. Jerry has already come to grips that he made a mistake with Free that's why he forced him to take a big pay cut.

    His ego took a double hit this offseason having to cut Free's salary practically in half because he wasn't worth the big contract Jerry was stupid enough to sign him to and he was forced to strip his HC of his play calling duties in hopes that will free him so he can manage games better. With everything that's riding on the 2013 season for his boy Garrett you can bet Jerry will make damn sure whoever starts at RT is the best man for the job.

    He's not about to play an inferior player on the OL because of money. It's not only his HC he's looking after it's also his $108 million QB who he has more money invested in than anyone on the team. Jerry knows one missed block could have Romo sidelined for the season and leave the Cowboys with no chance to make the playoffs.

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