It might be time for Jason Garrett to re-define what "Right Kinda Guy" means

Discussion in 'Drama Zone' started by DOUBLE WING, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:18 PM.

  1. CyberB0b

    CyberB0b Village Idiot

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    "To me, it has everything to do with their personal character and their football character...The kind of teammate who will help our team in every way...Mental toughness.."
    "I'm a firm believer that you can get the guys with talent and also have the kind of character you're looking for."

    http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/01/18/jason-garrett-show-right-kind-guys

    I see what you're saying, but he spouts off this type of crap, too, which makes him look foolish, considering the amount of suspensions that have happened under his watch.
     
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  2. HowAboutThemCowboys

    HowAboutThemCowboys Well-Known Member

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    100% Cop-out statement - There is a problem
     
  3. DOUBLE WING

    DOUBLE WING Well-Known Member

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    I think the definition of RIGHT KINDA GUY changes depending on what KINDA mood Garrett is in at the moment he's speaking.
     
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  5. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I held out some hope on Gregory even after failing another test but now with so much time away from the game including this coming season and what appears as the season after I don't see how he will ever be able to play this game. He has yet to play a full season to get acclimated to the pro game and now any hope pretty much went up in smoke.
     
  6. Plankton

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    Brian Kelly used it at Notre Dame starting in 2010.
     
  7. Bullflop

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    I'm thinking it might be a good idea to give Garrett's RKG mantra a rest. It's starting to bear an odor of hypocrisy.
     
  8. Doomsday101

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    yet I hope he continues to look for those right kind of guys. Who are self motivated, dedicated and team players who put team goals ahead of themselves. Does not mean every guy will end up fitting that mold but I think every coach out there is looking for that kind of guy.

    I think Garrett critics love bringing it up but yet Garrett is not alone in looking for those players
     
  9. Doomsday101

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    why? They should always be looking for those players and I think there are many on this team who do fit that bill.
     
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  10. Bullflop

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    When there are constantly so many that don't fit that bill each and every offseason, it just doesn't ring true anymore. It's easy to be forgiving when you're a Cowboys fan but outside of that membership, that mantra appears quite false and deceptive.
     
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  11. Doomsday101

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    But it rings true to those players he is pointing out as those RKG. Much of what coaches talk about is more for the players than it is for the fans. Clearly Cowboys will take chances on players with a past like McClain, hell he had issue we knew it but given the low risk contract and length of contract it made it worth while for the Cowboys to take a chance given the talent. Again I don't excuse players actions and regardless if Garrett talks about RKG or not does not change the fact that these are the guys you will build around.
     
  12. CyberB0b

    CyberB0b Village Idiot

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    Like these facts?

     
  13. Bullflop

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    If that RKG mantra is meant for the players and not the general public, the organization should preach it to the players only and not go public with it. Garrett preaches it for public consumption on a constant basis. It's called hypocrisy when it's preached for that type of an audience.
     
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  14. Howboutdemcowboys31

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    I'm not coping out. It worries me and pisses me off. I'm not naive though. All teams have good guys and scum bags. We're getting caught more frequently.

    Damien Wilson situation is unique to us, but fighting in clubs smoking weed and driving drunk I guarantee is happening with every team
     
  15. WoodysGirl

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    Quoting, because this needs to be read on the second page of this post too.
     
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  16. Doomsday101

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    Sorry I disagree. Trying to get players who are RGK is not hypocrisy but it is naïve to think every player will fit will end up fitting that billing. These are all young men and they all come with some risk character wise. On the field you can see the work and dedication and teams know some of these young men have made mistakes in the past and teams pay attention to it and sit with players during interview process to try and get a feel. Is there 100% way to get RKG? No, even guys with clean records are going in many cases from poor conditions into instant millionaires with very little idea of what pitfall are out there no there is not but striving to get those players to build your organization around is still a goal
     
  17. DOUBLE WING

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    We've lost more players to suspension during Garrett's tenure than any other point in Cowboys history, including the 90s.

    The problem isn't finding the RKG. The problem is whether Garrett is the right kinda guy, to be looking for the right kinda guy, because right now Garrett's track record with finding the right kinda guy is looking kinda putrid.
     
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  18. Doomsday101

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    and I expect nothing less from his critics. I will not make excuses for poor behavior of any player and again in some of these instance it was a major risk giving certain players another chance. McClain did he deserve another chance? seems after season 1 many here felt it was the right move until it wasn't yet we all knew there were major question marks. Same with Gregory and really same with Dak who had an off the field issue. I wish I could say all guys who are given 2nd chances are smart enough to take advantage of the opportunity but that is not the case.

    I think Cowboys have been doing a much better job of bringing in young talent and winning with these young guys most who are good guys but unfortunately not every guy is going to get it and that falls on them not the organization or the coaches, these are not little boys or even college kids these are grown men accountable for their own actions.
     
  19. Bullflop

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    No need to apologize . . . we can agree to disagree. To my way of thinking you don't proclaim your team to be dedicated to being the right kind of guys when they're constantly proving otherwise. It should be something that the team strives for, not something that's cast about to the general public to whitewash an image that is constantly being tarnished. Cowboys fans might swallow that stuff and there nothing wrong with preaching that to players as an ideal but trying to give the public that impression when they see something else carries the odor of deception. That's my opinion and I disagree with yours just as strongly as you do mine, I assure you. Too bad we don't see eye to eye on this but that's life.
     
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  20. LocimusPrime

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    It's coach speak. Like corporate speak.

    Corporations love terms like- team player, team building, culture, yada yada yada.


    Nobody really pays attention to that junk. Just usually play on the phone while they're doing their presentations. Sorry HR!
     

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