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JaMarcus Russell the Only Unsigned 1st Rounder

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by Hostile, Aug 16, 2007.

  1. Hostile

    Hostile Tacos are a good investment Zone Supporter

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    The Jets and Darrelle Revis completed a deal finally.

    Usually the overall #1 is one of the first guys to sign. The Raiders are a freaking mess. I bet their offer is less than the Lions offer to Calvin Johnson and that's why Russell's agents aren't budging.
  2. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    I was listening to analysis on the Russell deal the other day...

    They said Russell is going to have to give because he is demanding more than he can get...
  3. Zaxor

    Zaxor Virtus Mille Scuta

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    from what I hear it isn't the amount of money that is the problem but the amount of guaranteed money
  4. ThreeSportStar80

    ThreeSportStar80 Benched

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    Russell should naturally get more guaranteed money than last year's fist round pick, that's the way of the business... The Raiders are foolish.
  5. cowboysfan

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    No wonder I didn't see him play few days ago in the preseason game against ARI Cardinals.
  6. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    So did the Jets or Revis cave on the 6 years?
  7. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    I just read. It seems he signed a six year deal, but got $36M out of it. No word on guarantees.
  8. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal Insulin Beware

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    1 - Next CBA, make a formula or a rookie cap so that unproven commodities aren't handed 20-30 million dollars for having a good college career.

    2 - Destroy these silly rookie holdouts.

    3 - Improve your cap, don't get injured more for being a crap team.

    4 - Everyone profits.
  9. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    POSTED 9:45 a.m. EDT, August 16, 2007

    REAL REVIS DEAL IS LOW ON FLUFF

    Though it's been reported as a six-year, $36 million package, the contract negotiated by cornerback Darrelle Revis has a base value of six years and $32 million.

    And, as we understand it, that number reflects real money, with little or no fluff.

    The six-year deal, which the Jets wanted to do, easily voids to a four-year deal, which the Jets previously didn't want to do. The deal automatically reduces to four years if in any of the first four seasons Revis participates in at least 35 percent of the defensive snaps.

    The four-year value is $16 million, with $11 million in guaranteed money (which includes the 2007 base salary, which technically isn't guaranteed but as a practical matter is always paid).

    But the Jets can buy back the fifth and sixth years. For $5 million guaranteed in year five and $11 million guaranteed in year six the Jets can get back the final two seasons.

    If the Jets choose not to buy back years five and six, Revis hits the open market and the Jets will not apply the franchise tag or the transition tag.

    The year six number can reduce to $9 million and can increase to $15 million, as the result of a point system based primarily on playing time. Interestingly, interceptions are not a factor as to any aspect of the deal.

    As we see it, it's a win-win. But we can't help but wonder whether the deal couldn't have gotten done before the start of camp.
  10. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    Thanks WG.

    I would be onboard with that contract.
  11. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Zone Supporter

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    :hammer:
  12. DanTanna

    DanTanna Original Zone Member Zone Supporter

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    Russell wants a QB "premium". I hope it doesn't happen.

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  13. StanleySpadowski

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    It's my understanding that the Raiders are cash poor and can't give the signing bonus all in one chunk hoping to spread it out in increments.

    They don't draw particularly well and aren't backed by a billionaire toying around with his play money.
  14. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    per Clayton blog

    Russell holdout could be long
    posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 | Print Entry

    The impasse between JaMarcus Russell and the Raiders is a pretty interesting one. A lot of it has to do with what happened to Mario Williams with the Texans a year ago. Williams agreed to $26.5 million in guarantees once Texans owner Bob McNair decided not to take halfback Reggie Bush. Williams, as the No. 1 pick, wasn't a quarterback and took a smart deal for him and a favorable deal for the Texans. Had Bush been the No. 1 pick, the guarantees would have been for much more than $26.5 million. Given the normal increase in guarantees for quarterbacks taken at the No. 1 pick, Russell's agents can justify a guarantee demand for around $34-plus million. The Raiders appear to be willing to offer around $30 million or $31 million in guarantees even though Russell may question how the guarantee is funded. Talks have been at an impasse for more than a week. It's going to be hard for the Raiders to go above $30 million or $31 million so there will have to be tradeoffs from both sides to get something done. Expect things to heat up over the weekend or early next week. This still could be a long holdout, though.
  15. THUMPER

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    I just looked into the future (it's always easier to read the Raiders' bleak future than for any other team) and I see Russell finally signing a contract just before the season starts, then getting hurt in his 2nd game because he wasn't in football shape.

    This is going to end bad for both parties. Book it.
  16. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    i agree they were talking about this on NFLN last night and there is no justification for an unproven player making top 10% money. The NFL already restricts age of entrants and have the rookie pool. They just need to make the rookie pool be specific for each pick alloted a certain amount and then have a % of that be guaranteed. The agents will hate it but screw them.

    It can be made equitable for all involved by retaining the rookie pool figures from before.
  17. Kangaroo

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    That is one thing I think the NBA did right with the contracts was the rookie wage is set and the NFL should also be better at rewarding vets that earned the big payday vs the rookie that does not deserve that much.
  18. Roughneck

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    Even if he were to sign and get into camp today, I don't think there is anyway in hell Russell plays at any point early in the season, let alone the second game. Oakland signed Culpepper for this exact reason.
  19. CrazyCowboy

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    Greed can ruin a person........
  20. THUMPER

    THUMPER Papa

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    I said HIS 2nd game, not the Raiders' 2nd game. It could be week-6 or even later.

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