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Jason Garrett: Conservative to a Fault

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by hra8700, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Clove

    Clove Shrinkage

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    Some people have no clue about real football vs Madden. You go for it on 4th and 1 playing Madden, you can just play another game and make the out come different.

    But if you go for it there, you deserve to be fired on the spot. The OP probably wanted us to kick it form 61 yards out also.

    There's a time to be risky, and there's a time to be smart. No matter how much they ran up and down on our defense, you cannot go for it there. No way around the fact that you have to punt it there and let the ST make a stop, followed by your defense.
  2. PhillyCowboysFan

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    Just when the mods said we couldn't call out posters. Darn!
  3. fifaguy

    fifaguy Well-Known Member

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    What bothered more is that we didn't run the ball once in that series (if i recall correctly)...
  4. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Belicheck doesn't always make the right call. He makes wrong decisions as well. Go back to that Colts game a few years ago when the Pats went for it on 4th down in their own territory. They didn't make it and the Colts took advantage of that good field position and won.
  5. bkight13

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    Punting and hoping the Steelers play for OT and going to OT is more of a gamble, it's just delayed. It's simple math but coaches, fans and sportswriters are all too set in their ways to realize it.
  6. joseephuss

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    They weren't hoping the Steelers would play for OT. They were counting on their defense to stop them.

    It isn't simple math. That is a bogus argument.
  7. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    It doesn't always work out but that is different than making the wrong call. A coach is supposed to give his team the best chance to win without worrying about blow back from the fans or media.
  8. hra8700

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    I agree, most coaches don't, It just seems that Jason Garrett NEVER does. He does all of the typical stupid conservative coaching things. He believes in a magical "field goal range" and just runs the ball up the gut until we can kick a 50 yard field goal. He kneels the ball when there's 40 seconds left in a half. He almost never makes the right decision. The only times he'll go for it on 4th down are the blatantly obvious situations, like 4th and 1 on the opponents 40 or 4th and 1 on the goal line when down big.

    But this impression is probably just because I watch the cowboys more. But some coaches are pretty good about it, Mike Smith comes to mind.

    He made the right decision, it just didn't happen to work out that time.

    It's about percentages, the right call doesn't always work. This past game the fact that he went for two 4th downs is what kept the pats in the game. Then he went for that last 4th down at the end and didn't convert and everyone's questioning the decision. But he was 2/3 on those 4th downs. If he punted all of them they'd be much worse off.
  9. joseephuss

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    Garrett made the right call(and it worked out) and is now getting blow back from you. It is only the wrong call based solely on your opinion.
  10. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    According to some nothing was different yesterday. That was the same coach we've had every week.
  11. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    I think that was the smartest call he could make. its too much at risk to go for it and then not make it. you have in essence taken on all the risk.

    Instead you have to punt and FORCE the other team to make a play. long punt returns aren't the usual, although one was made here. but that was the absolute right call to make in that situation. you are not behind. you don't need to take a risk. make the other team make plays.

    and on the 4th and 4. absolute right call. if we don't make it. then steelers have only 20 yards to go to make kick. and they had plenty of time.

    and in case you missed it. it worked...we won the game.

    and if garrett would have gone for it and not made it. you would be the first one here crucifying him for trying to do it.
  12. mgcowboy

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    Just watched his PC...I said it multiple times before and I will repeat it....

    Jason Garret WILL win the SB in 2 years (if Jerry keep doing the smart thing and let him continue as HC)

    :cool:
  13. hra8700

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    I wonder how many people in this thread actually read the article. It's really rather good, and that website as a whole is a great resource.
  14. joseephuss

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    That is not true. Garrett has run a wide open offense in 1 minute or less situations bunches of time during his tenure as OC/HC with Dallas. Hell, he has been criticized for it.
  15. CowboysFaninDC

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    no, I don't get the argument. then he is trying to play from behind. at that moment. you are not losing the game. you are forcing the other team to have to make plays. which they didn't.
  16. Tricericon

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    The reaction you've gotten in this thread is a major reason why coaches make such poor decisions in games; it's what the fans want. Keep banging away at conventional wisdom and maybe someday we'll get a coach who calls games to win rather than by rote. :salute:

    "Very few" is an exaggeration. "None" is closer to reality.

    Although, Garrett is awful even by NFL head coach standards. It really helped us out yesterday that Tomlin is in the same tier of awful.
  17. hra8700

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    I know, one Tashard Choice fumble and he's never done it again. But it's the right move, and one play and the ensuing media criticism shouldn't stop him from doing it again.
  18. joseephuss

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    This past game the Pats were trailing by as many as 28 points. He had no option, but to got for it on 4th down. Dallas was nowhere close to being in the same type of situation.
  19. bkight13

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    It wasn't the RIGHT call because it worked out. It did work out in the end, but the Cowboys could've just as easily never got the ball back, either in regulation or OT and lost. This idea that the "gut instinct" supersedes math is ridiculous. The BEST chance for the Cowboys to win was going for it on 4th down and then kicking a shorter FG with little or no time left. Period. It isn't Madden or anything else.
  20. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Except he has done it again since then. Don't make up stuff to try and back up your position.

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