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Jerry has Garrett's back, so he says

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  1. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Jerry has Garrett's back, so he says

    Job security promised by Jones is a wash if the Cowboys coach doesn't win

    Updated: July 20, 2013, 10:04 PM ET
    By Jean-Jacques Taylor | ESPNDallas.com

    OXNARD, Calif. -- You can believe Jerry Jones if you want when he says Jason Garrett doesn't have to make the playoffs to keep his job with the Dallas Cowboys.

    Or you can look at the facts, and operate in the realm of reality.

    Only the Oakland Raiders and Kansas City Chiefs have hired more head coaches than the Cowboys owner and general manager since 1997.

    Oakland has had nine and Kansas City seven. The Cowboys, Washington Redskins, Miami Dolphins and Detroit Lions have each had six.

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...on-garrett-better-get-dallas-cowboys-playoffs
  2. OhSnap

    OhSnap Well-Known Member

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    It would take a colossal collapse. These guys seem pretty determined to get it going in the right direction and Garrett has Stephen in his corner too. imo

    On a funny note this writer has this posted on his Facebook page: My job is to not to persuade you to agree with my opinion.
  3. Heelsboy

    Heelsboy Well-Known Member

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    I think Jerry might of finally realized that stability is a key factor in success. Plus I believe Garrett has greatness in him and Jerry sees it also.
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  4. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    We need to avoid changing coaches like avoiding the plague. I agree. This team must have some coaching stability for awhile. It will be difficult for Jerry to contain himself if we are win challenged this year or next.
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  5. Clove

    Clove Shrinkage

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    Camp should still be here then. You keep people around because they make your team better, that's it.
  6. Rack Bauer

    Rack Bauer Federal Agent

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    With knife in hand.
  7. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I have heard many owners and GM over the years talk about their HC job security, right before they end up firing them. I think Jerry is just showing his support and confidence in Garrett to do the job but when push comes to shove it will still come down to this team winning. Myself I would love to see Jason be the HC for many years but for that to happen he has to show he can get this team to the top. I think this is a critical season for Garrett career in Dallas.
  8. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    I thought three years was enough to establish continuity. If the Cowboys don't make the play-offs and Jason Garrett is around, then Jerry has really lost his sanity.
  9. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

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    Three years was enough before free agency changed and the cap went into effect. Five year plans are little more realistic these days.
  10. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I wonder if ten year plans are more appropriate.
  11. tantrix1969

    tantrix1969 Well-Known Member

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    There are some good things about having continuity, continually being 8-8 is not one of them.
  12. CowboyMcCoy

    CowboyMcCoy Business is a Boomin

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    That Jerry sure is consistent.
  13. OhSnap

    OhSnap Well-Known Member

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    I guess thats the thing that causes people not to believe what he's saying. I think this was a different kind of hire. I don't think you hire someone with no HC experience without being committed to them for 4 years unless they just stink it up plus there haven't been too many years since Jerry bought the team that there wasn't some kinda Garrett around.
  14. Ren

    Ren Well-Known Member

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    Jerry also insisted Wade's job was safe up until the week he fired him.
  15. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    Per Parcells, three is enough. And funny how people didn't afford that same logic to Wade, even though Wae's track record here was much better.
  16. Doomsday101

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    I have watched many owners and GM do the same thing. Claim the coach is safe then turn around shortly after and fire them. It does Garrett nor the team any good if Jerry comes out today and claims Garrett is out of here unless we make the playoffs. That would be a major distraction all year long. Jerry did what many other teams do back and support their HC but should the time come then I have no doubt Jerry would fire him. I hope it does not come to that.
  17. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I think people see and believe what they want. If I were the owner and/or GM then I would look for improvement over a period of time. I'm not a huge Garrett guy but I've definitely turned the corner on him. I see the overall talent on the team improving. I see the drafts going better which goes hand in hand with improving overall talent. I think we have some good coaches here. The fact some guys who ran in other circles stayed here with Garrett speaks well for them and Garrett. I like the offense although it has struggled in the RZ and that is why scoring is subpar and I gave it a failing grade last year. It failed because my goal every year is to score more than 25 points per game looking for 30+. Fix the OL and the running game and you fix the offense IMO. Add more offensive fire power esp in the RZ then better yet. My real worry this year is still the defense. I THINK it will be ok but it's a new system with new coaches so I would give Garrett another year just to get that together. There are a lot of unknowns esp on D.

    I'd give Garrett another year or three just because we are slowly improving and he just needs a few more to address the holes in talent. They may close quickly or not. You cannot keep on changing coaches and systems and expect the offense to put up points. It's too much to expect. Romo has been on a ride since he's been here. Time to slow that train down. That's not an unconditional endorsement of Romo or anyone else BTW. They all have to improve on their areas of deficit.

    I don't care who the coach is as I don't have any stake in them personally. I do have a stake in the team because that's my choice. So I'll back whomever is out there just not unconditionally though.

    That's one fan's take on it. I'm a Cowboys' fan.
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  18. Verdict

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    Look, let's be real about this ..... a coach is always coaching for his job, but I don't think Jerry is looking to get rid of Garrett anytime soon. I think he expects Garrett to do a good job of coaching and put the players in a position to succeed. We seem to be doing that, even though the stars haven't aligned just yet.

    It is possible that we would have had a little bit better year last year if we had not been decimated by injuries, but that is the way it goes sometimes. Personally, I think the team has a consistent direction going and the arrow is pointed up. I have been as disgusted as any CZ member with some of the clock management issues Garrett has displayed. I have also been disappointed in some of the play calling issues he has had and I will go on to say that he has occasionally outsmarted himself by doing things like icing his own kicker. LOL. But realistically, Jerry Jones has put him in a position to succeed, and I think Jerry will give him every opportunity to do so.

    On the other hand Jerry is also a businessman that has to make money and sell tickets and merchandise. There is an old proverb that goes something like this: "Never get between a vicious dog and his piece of meat....... or Jerry Jones and a dollar". LOL. I think you get the drift. :)
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  19. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    The rule of three applies to players, not teams.

    It happened quietly but for the most part this team has been rebuilt under Garrett. I'm not a huge fan of Garrett, but I have some confidence in this team. And I think he can be a better manager than he is a coach.
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  20. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    I think Jerry Jones is doing a pretty good job of letting Garrett use his strengths to make the team better, while taking away the lattitude to do the things he is not so good at. :)

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