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Jerry Said He Expects Some Level Of Success

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Beast_from_East, Nov 23, 2012.

  1. JonJon

    JonJon Injured Reserve

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    I respectfully disagree. Usually with Jerry, where there is smoke, there is also a fire inside. With everyone that was either fired, cut, or put on notice, we heard responses like this. With all the talk surrounding Sean Payton, this very well may be the beginning of the end for Garrett if he continues to fail.

    I know some are going to point to Jerry wanting continuity (and that is something I want as well), but at some point, you need to start looking at the results and re-evaluate to make sure the right guy is in place for that. I'm not saying that Garrett should be fired, but I feel it is necessary and wise for Jerry to at least be thinking about the direction the team is currently going under Garrett before making long term decisions that could potentially be disastrous for the franchise.

    Garrett can be very stubborn at times, and putting him on the hot seat may be exactly what is needed for him to change his ways and start doing things in a manner that increases our chances of success, including better game/time management, increased focus on discipline, better scheming, and maybe most important for the time being, giving up play calling.

    If Garrett can get out of his own way, I think the Cowboys will be able to get out of their way, and we can start winning more of these games.
  2. CowboysYanksLakers

    CowboysYanksLakers Well-Known Member

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    Jerry Jones is an idiot...
  3. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    I've been on the 'firing Garrett will accomplish nothing' bandwagon for a few weeks now, but I don't think so anymore.

    Sure we could get another puppet and Jerry will continue to run the franchise into the dirt, OR we could get lucky and get a Harbaugh who instantly gives this team credibility again.

    What do we stand to lose?

    Getting blown out by a rookie QB in the first half on national TV is about as low as it gets. It's not like we have some kind of progress to interrupt. We're only getting worse.
  4. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    I cannot even fathom a person thinking that replacing Garrett with a Holmgren or Payton would "make no difference" to this team. :abuseme:
  5. calico

    calico Active Member

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    Normally I'd agree nut Garrett was a mistake hire from the beginning and his team is getting worse, not better. Guys make the same mistakes. If he'd clean up the mistakes and get them playing better football on an upswing then he'd get a pass for some of the poor talent here.

    He consistently shows he is in over his head as a head coach and the cowboys is not a learning job. I'm all for a coach change.

    And for all those saying a new coach wouldn't win with this talent. Didn't parcels come in and take Dave campos team to the playoffs his first season??
  6. Boys122

    Boys122 Well-Known Member

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    Our main problem is the offense. Payton would hold players accountable, he knows Romo and the offense. He calls plays and is the head coach. That's what Jerry wants.

    Garrett is failing miserably at it and Jerry will go after Payton and give him an offer he can't refuse. Ryan will stay on as DC. It's the only way to save this current roster.

    Jerry will give Payton whatever he wants even if it means more decision making.
  7. TtownCowboy

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    Sadly, no one who believes he should stay can or will answer why. That's all I ask. What has he done to deserve to keep being the coach? I'm not in his corner but I will say I believe he and his staff have a done a better job with the draft and free agency, but his play calling and game planning are terrible. Something has to change.
  8. Star4Ever

    Star4Ever Well-Known Member

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    Jason, don't you have a football team to coach? Stay the hell off this board and work on fixing the penalties.
  9. Star4Ever

    Star4Ever Well-Known Member

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    Most of us are smart enough to know that Parcells greatly limited Payton's offensive play calling back then. Parcells was very conservative on offense. Payton not so much. Most of us realize this. Most of us.
  10. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    Tough talking Jerry doesn't change anything unless he gets out of the way and allows the team to be coached.

    Opie doesn't do it for me.

    But at some point there has tpo be a heirarchy that leads without the owner being involved in the day to day.

    Otherwise, this is what you get.

    Some have been screaming for years now. You cannot allow players to sidestep the head coach and go to someone who will overrule him.

    This is the divorced kids syndrome. Get one parent to overrule the other.

    That and Opie is clueless.
  11. SDCowboy85

    SDCowboy85 Well-Known Member

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    The guy refuses to fix the oline and he expects success?
  12. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I totally agree, the power structure of this organization is serverely flawed but that doesn't give JG an out. Three things need to happen, bring in Payton, fix the Oline, and have JJ step out of the way and let this be Paytons team. That last one won't happen but if we get the first 2 then we can compete.
  13. theebs

    theebs Believe!!!!

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    Jerry was making jokes the other day on the owners box segment about tex schramm allowing Tom Landry in the war room in draft day.

    He thinks that is meaningless to joke about and shows his mindset. He is in charge and is going to make the decisions.

    If he really expected success he would walk away and take Stephen with him and hire a fresh perspective. From top to bottom. If it doesn't work in 4 or five years then re examine it.

    For now the guy expecting success is part of the equation keeping us from it.

    I said it in the other thread, it's so bad right now that for the past two home games they have intentionally not shown Any of the jones family or jason Garrett on the video board during the game. That has never happened before. They always show tons of shots of both of them.

    So let that sink in. They won't talk about it, nor will the media here most likely. It tells the story though. It was a constant in the past shots of Jerry in his suite, shots of Jason during warmups.

    Now they avoid them. Everybody knows the situation so I guess we just sit and wait and hope someone does the right thing. I hope romo doesn't get a serious injury in the next month.
  14. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I was listening to Norm's post game show last night and a caller said that a fan was removed from the stadium for chanting, get rid of Jerry. Norm asked the caller was the man aslo yelling obscenities and the caller said no, he said that he was leading the chant and that it started catching on. The security guards actually handle him roughly while escorting him out.
  15. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    God, I hope that isn't true. That sounds exactly like what Snyder used to do. And one thing about Jerry, he never seemed to mind criticism that much, unlike Snyder who threw a hissy when anyone dared challenge him.

    And interesting on the vidja board, theebs. So at some level they do realize how unhappy the fans are.
  16. fifaguy

    fifaguy Well-Known Member

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    Give credit to Snyder for stepping back and let Shanahan et al. run the team.
  17. Venger

    Venger Well-Known Member

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    Jerry overlearns his previous lessons - todays lesson is Sean Payton, he saw someone on his staff go to New Orleans and have success. He learned this lesson and applied it to Jason Garrett. Wrongly, but that's what he does.
  18. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I agree, he's a copy cat, he drafted Kavika Pittman (next Haley), Q.Carter (next McNabb), Chad Hutchinson (next Aikman), and now hired Garrett (Next Payton). He's always chasing something, I remember when he wanted to mimic the greatest show on turf when the Rams were winning. He's does this because he has no clue on how to build an identity for this franchise. He sees someone else being successful and try to follow that blueprint meaning it could change from year to year.
  19. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Right on, Venger. And don't forget his Deion splashy signing "success". I'm sure that led to the disastrous Joey Galloway and Roy Williams trades.
  20. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    This may be the best and most accurate post i have ever read. I am serious.

    He doesn't understand how to build a franchise or create its identity.

    Dang bird, you are on fire today.

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