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News: JJT: Jay Ratliff has become a liability for Cowboys

Discussion in 'News Zone' started by Risen Star, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    Money makes 'em soft.
  2. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    I think you would have to define your parameters for 'noticeable difference'.

    And then compare those findings to what the player is costing against the salary cap.

    And determine for yourself if you feel the team is getting a sufficient return on investment.

    I did that for myself and found that in my opinion the answer is absolutely not.
  3. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I wasn't a fan of extending Rat...I'd have franchised him and then let him walk this season, and I thought last season he'd really lost a step. At his age, DTs almost never continue to produce, much less get better after the significant elbow injury. You can't count on many players like LaRoi Glover justifying that second-contract premium on your roster after the body breaks down.

    That said, Rat was an absolute beast in limited action this year. I was pleasantly shocked how good he looked early on. I don't know what the stat line says for the games he played, but if he's back and healthy, we definitely need him. The only shot this team's got against good teams is to get ahead of them on the scoreboard and make teams one-dimensional, and then put pressure on their QBs. Rat could be huge in that regard if he's able to come back. Especially with Brees and RGIII coming up in a few weeks.
  4. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    You can only franchise one player, and we used that on Spencer.

    I just don't know why we re-signed him when he was already under a friendly contract. There was no need.
  5. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    How many games has Witten missed? Man you can't even make that comparison. Sorry, but I am not w/ you in this one.

    Comparing Rat to Witt is a laughable offense.
  6. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    :eek: Gittem Stash!
  7. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Honestly, I don't remember the specifics of what I thought (though I'd also have signed Spencer instead of franchising him). Did he have another year left? I might have thought to let him play out the string with the option of franchising him and letting him walk a year later if he was still playing good football. Generally, though, he was too old and too likely to get hurt to extend, and we were being generous to a player we'd had at a very affordable price in his previous contract.
  8. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Easily one of the dumbest extensions Jerry has handed out, and there have been many.
  9. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    yea, if memory serves me correctly, he extended him coming off a sub par season.

    If AdamJT13 is still around, I wonder how much Ratliff would count if we release him post june first. Him and Doug Free.
  10. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    Why would you have franchised him?

    He still had 2 years left on his deal when Dallas gave him the extension. I believe it would have been 2011 and 2012.

    So, you could have just let him play out his original contract if you were going to let him walk after this season.

    I just never understood the contract extension unless it was a reward for outperforming his previous deal.
  11. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I mentioned above, I should have said 'play out the balance of the contract and then franchise him if you wanted another year and he was still playing at a high level.' But the point's the same: I agree, the Ratliff extension was a mistake.
  12. Frozen700

    Frozen700 Well-Known Member

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    This hasn't hit nflnetwork..or espn?
  13. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    I'm with you here.

    It was not a good move. I agree with everything you say above and would add this. Ratliff is very undersized for his position of 3-4 nose tackle, so the clock is ticking even moreso on his career because of that fact. Normal-sized 3'4 NT's take a beating, it's even more amplified when you're undersized.

    The numbers don't back that up at all.

    He's got 16 total tackles (10 solo and 6 assists) and 1 pass defensed in the 6 games he played.

    We differ in that I'm not holding out hope for the playoffs, so I would prefer to make long-term moves and decisions based on next year and the years following.
  14. craig71

    craig71 Aut Viam Inveniam Aut Faciam

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    I don't think you can move forward with Ratliff after this year. IIRC his cap hit for 2013 is something like $7 million if he plays here. There is no way that Ratliff is worth 7$ million at this point in his career.

    Craig
  15. tunahelper

    tunahelper Well-Known Member

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    Get rid of Rat for more than just this reason. His play has declined, he is over paid and gets hurt too much. Time for his departure.
  16. ravidubey

    ravidubey Active Member

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    And Free, too. If you look at his outrageous base salary next season there's no way the Cowboys can possibly keep him.
  17. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    This is the first time that I can remember that I've ever agreed with JJT.
  18. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Using boxscore stats in lieu of film study and grading to evaluate interior defensive line play is probably your first problem. Oh that's right, you don't really watch film. My bad.
  19. xwalker

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    I wonder if JJT had to get help dividing 2M by 17 on a calculator?

    The local media hates Ratliff just like they hated Deion and some other past players that wouldn't play their game.

    JJT = Idiot
  20. RamziD

    RamziD Well-Known Member

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    I'd really hate to create another hole on the roster by releasing Ratliff. He hasn't been our problem on DL.

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