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Joe Paterno’s No Facemask Idea Isn’t So Insane

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by Duane, Oct 20, 2010.

  1. Duane

    Duane Well-Known Member

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    As the debate over NFL player safety suddenly erupted this week, Joe Paterno made an interesting suggestion on how to stem the problem at his weekly press conference Tuesday.

    No facemasks.


    “I have been saying (it) for 15 years. Then, you would get back to shoulder blocking and shoulder tackling and you wouldn’t have all those heroes out there. Guys (would) have to worry about broken noses, knocked-out teeth, which we would like to prevent, but you don’t get anything for nothing.

    “We used to have one single bar; now we have a weapon.”...
  2. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Except players are using their head instead of their face to hit other players.
  3. 187beatdown

    187beatdown Lack of Big Plays

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    It isn't 1950.
  4. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    There are many hard hits that don't involve the facemask. You could put a good hit on a person with just a shoulder and of course a few times a year there are guys that use the crown of the helmet.

    It is just a difficult task to prevent every conceivable form of injury in the game of football. You can work to minimize them, but you can't stop them all. Like they say, football is not a contact sport, it is a collision sport.
  5. SupermanXx

    SupermanXx Benched

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    who's "they"?
  6. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Those guys on the side of the street around the corner from where I work.
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  8. BigWillie

    BigWillie Well-Known Member

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    Make it happen!
  9. Seven

    Seven Messenger to the football Gods

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    Of course it's insane. It came out of Paterno's mouth.
  10. Aggie87

    Aggie87 Active Member

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    Why not replace facemasks with clear shields that cover the whole face? There would be nothing to grab on to.

    Many players used these to cover their eye areas already, just extend them to cover the whole face, in place of the facemasks.

    (I meant this sorta tongue-in-cheek, but the more I think about it, it could make some sense. Helmets would look a bit different, but you'd cut down on the risk of injuries, for sure).
  11. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I like the idea.
  12. VirusX

    VirusX Well-Known Member

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    The idea is valid, there will always be players wanting to make "dirty" hits but the majority will react as instinct which would be to lead with their shoulder.
  13. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    Except for the shield fogging up why not :D

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Big Jim.
  15. ZeroClub

    ZeroClub just trying to get better

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    I wonder what Paterno thinks about seatbelts.
  16. Rogah

    Rogah Benched

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    IMHO it's easy say "we had fewer injuries with leather helmets and no face masks so we should go back to that style." But back in those days, the players were nowhere near as big, as strong and as fast as they are today. If you took 100 of today's athletes and put them in football gear circa 1940, I don't think it would solve the problem.

    25 years ago a player was considered big if he was 275. William Perry was considered extraordinary at 300. But now 300 is below average for a lineman. Not to mention today's 300 pounders could run circles around those guys from a generation or two ago.
  17. Stautner

    Stautner New Member

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    Paterno's point wasn't about eliminating facemask infractions.

    Frankly, I think Paterno's idea has some merit. Even leading with the crown of the helmet would be reduced because the face is still exposed, and an elbow or hand or the opposing players helmet could run into the face of the tackler if he leads with his head.
  18. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Do we know for certain there were less injuries and less severe injuries in the old days? How good were the records of injuries at that time? It seems to me that there aren't necessarily more concussions nowadays, rather head injuries are taken more seriously. I bet a lot of injuries in the old days went under reported or not diagnosed to today's standards.
  19. Stautner

    Stautner New Member

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    I don't know that Paterno said to use leather helmets. didn't he just say no facemasks?

    We still need solid, secure helmets no matter what. We have to provide maximum protection for the head. But, like I said earlier, I think even with hard helmets the incidents where people lead with their heads would be diminished without a facemask because leading with the head also results in leading with an exposed face that could end up having the opponents arm, hand, helmet, elbow, etc hit the tackler square in the face. Remember, thjey aren't tacking stationary targets, they are tackling guys moving and twisting and ducking and turning, and there would be a hesitance before leading with a helmet in which the face isn't protected.
  20. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Another rule against the defense. ;)

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