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June 6th 1944 D-Day

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Doomsday101, Jun 6, 2013.

  1. CashMan

    CashMan Well-Known Member

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    I do not think you are getting what I am saying. As humans, I have no doubt, when put into a situation where you have to go to war, people will.

    This "weaker" you speak of, PTSD was not even a thought then. Maybe give this a watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqFaiVNuy1k&feature=player_embedded

    Generation after generation things are figured out, times change, people live longer, but that doesn't mean people can not fight wars. Mental health is more understood. I am pretty sure, when the country was at war, if you had 2 arms and 2 legs, you were probably going to go off to war. Things are different in a time of need.

    Do you think less about people went to Vietnam or Desert Storm or Iraq/Afghanistan? No, but a good amount of them come home with PTSD, and it is sad. It is more understood, and treatable, but not 100% curable.

    I have a cousin who was a Sarge in the Army, who came a couple years ago, after being in Iraq. He can't eat in restaurants because of the PTSD. It is really sad, and I have a ton of respect for him.
  2. Denim Chicken

    Denim Chicken Well-Known Member

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    Our last legit war...
  3. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    this is actually somewhat hilarious. Either you cannot confront the question or you truly cannot understand it.

    Hard times create hard people. Soft times create soft people. Do you get it now?
  4. Denim Chicken

    Denim Chicken Well-Known Member

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    There is really no reason to try and compare generations. What the D-Day solders accomplished stands on its own.
  5. Reality

    Reality Administrator Staff Member

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    I just recently watched the series again and was still amazed. It was by far the best documentary on WWII I have ever seen.

    /reality
  6. RastaRocket

    RastaRocket Sanka, Ya Dead Mon? Ya Mon.

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    No reason to argue about generations on June 6th. Their are plenty of brave men out there fighting a war as we speak. June 6th is a day to remember those who fought on D-Day; a day this generation will never have to endure because of their sacrifice. This generation will have their own struggles to endure and they will have days to remember them later on, but June 6th is D-Day.

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  7. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    Watch The World at War series narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier, for me that is the best of all time.
  8. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    awesome comeback

    Soldiers have done what they did since the dawn of man.

    People do what is necessary for them to do. Those guys did, just like your friends in Vietnam did, more recently soldiers did in Iraq etc
  9. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Soldier risk their lives but warfare is different. We would never storm a beach like that now days having waves of troops going over open terrain while the enemy is perched up high with machine guns and mortars. We lost 9,000 in one battle. In Iraq we did not lose 9,000 total
  10. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    We in the U.S. have been blessed with many great generations.

    What the folks did during WWII is amazing... Starting with the guys waking up under attack at Pearl Harbor.

    But you can't short-shift the generation that fought during the Civil War. Americans were totally unprepared for war at that scale... Totally unprepared.

    The AEF during WWI kind of gets short-shift, getting caught between the Civil War soldier and the WWII soldier. Most have forgotten what the AEF accomplished.
  11. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    That's a valid point.

    Most countries/societies wouldn't put up with casualties like what happened during the D-Day campaign.

    And as bad as the casualty list was during that front in June in 1944, compare it to what the Soviet's sustained at Kursk during July and August 1943... over 800,000 casualties. It's mind boggling to contemplate.
  12. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    True and for the US fighting aginst Japan saw very bloody battles like Iwo Jima where over 6,000 US soldier were killed.

    Iraq and I don't belittle the sacrifice but all allied forced lost a total of 4,800 through out the entire conflict.
  13. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Very true.

    When I've thought about it a couple times in the past I've wondered what the response would be to a powerful country going on the offensive like what Germany/Japan did in the late 30's/early 40's. Not like an Iraq going into Kuwait, but something that would potentially create a much, much larger casualty list. Would the response match the aggressiveness or would it be more like the French/British response to Germany/Soviets marching on Poland?

    Hard to say.
  14. CashMan

    CashMan Well-Known Member

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    He seems to be comparing generations by wars, which I don't get, and advancement of mental health, which I do not get.

    I must of missed the recession a few years ago, not saying it was as bad as the great depression, though.
  15. CliffnMesquite

    CliffnMesquite Well-Known Member

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  16. Sarge

    Sarge Happy New Year! Staff Member

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  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    of course you do not get it. Generations are judged by the major events that take place over their adult life.

    The Greatest Generation faced the worst depression in history and the worst war in history.

    I guess I am just surprised you cannot figure that out.
  18. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    I have seen it written where they were totally unprepared for "death" at that scale.

    Which may be the same thing you are saying.
  19. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Yeah, certainly the number of casualties was part of it.

    The battle of Shiloh, which happened relatively early in the war, accounted for more deaths than all other wars the country had participated in up to that point– combined, which is an amazing statistic.

    But the mobilization of such larges forces and the infrastructure needed to support them I'm sure was stunning for all involved.
  20. CashMan

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    You've argued a couple of things. I have no problem saying that is a great generation. I have a problem with you calling this one soft, considering how your acted towards the Vietnam vets. Two operate arguments. But, I think I am done, your only argument on this generation being soft, if the use of medication.

    Comparing a World War to Desert Storm, or the Iraq/Afgan war, is crazy.

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