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Keep Your Cat Indoors, For Natures Sake

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by TheCount, Jan 29, 2013.

  1. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Well transplanting animals into an alien environment isn't the same thing. Cats are indigenous to North America and would have been around regardless of the decision to start using them as pets. Boa's belong in more tropical climates and wouldn't be here if not for people bringing them up here.
  2. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    personal insults are the last resort of the feebleminded. You need to find your village- they miss you. Need someone to make fun of.
  3. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    I must have missed the part where everyone involved in the report was convicted of killing cats. Even the person you mentioned wasn't convicted of killing cats. You calling me biased is a classic pot meets kettle situation.

    Pro feral and pro reponsible pet ownership is the epitome of hypocrisy. It's like being anti legalization of marijuana while keeping a grow house.
  4. Faerluna

    Faerluna I'm Complicated

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    Oh, poisoning, my sincere apologies. Because she was certainly just trying to give them an upset stomach and had probably never done anything like that before.

    And its more like I'm all for responsible parenting, but I'm not going to be against kids in foster homes just because they don't live with their biological parents. It's not the kids fault that their parents were incapable idiots.

    Nice try, though. Or something.
  5. Signals

    Signals Suspicious looking stranger

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    LMAO I had to watch that about 20 times. :lmao2:
  6. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    There are other predators that can kill cats (usually the old and young ones)
    Off the top of my head:

    Coyotes
    Wolves
    Dogs
    Owls
    Raccoons
    Oppossums
  7. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    If we're going to start a war on animals, I'd rather we start with these two lousy creatures. :)

    Opossums have some diseased mouths from all the garbage and road kill they eat and raccoons are just vicious and often enough rabid.
  8. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    Yeah, this has pretty much run its course. I'm not going to argue over crazy people that poison animals, but nice attempt to derail.

    There are certainly animals that could kill a cat. I didn't say they were immortal, although they certainly may be.. :laugh2:

    Come to think of it, I'm not even sure cats are technically predators (I think they are) since some kill for sport, not for consumption. I actually wonder if that behavior changes once they go feral.
  9. Faerluna

    Faerluna I'm Complicated

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    Cats do not "go feral," they are born feral. If a domesticated cat gets out and lives outside they will be scared and may act like a feral cat, but once they are trapped they typically revert to trusting people rather quickly.

    Feral cats do not have that trust, and while they are capable of developing it, it is a long process that required tremendous patience and highly unlikely.
  10. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Solution seems simple. Unleash more dogs and let nature take it's course.
  11. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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  12. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    If there's one thing I know, it's when to exit an argument with a cat lady over cats. Thanks for the conversation.
  13. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    don't let the doorknob hit your butt on the way out
  14. BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

    BringBackThatOleTimeBoys Active Member

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    Is that Ross Purro? :D
  15. davidyee

    davidyee Maple Leaf

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    ...in the earth's history all cats were feral.

    As domestication and the symbiotic relationship between certain species developed, namely dogs and cats, there was still considerable feral populations throughout the world and very little responsible pet ownership.

    It's only with the advancement of the concept of personal ownership of land that we are having discussions about stray and feral animals.

    Oddly enough most of the colonies of feral cats I have seen or participated in the maintenance of are primarly in areas you wouldn't choose or desire to live in.

    What the feral cats do their as a service to society is quite exceptional. They provide a balance to a "unnatural" habitat; abandoned warehouse districts, abandoned bldgs, empty fields, etc in regards to pests.

    Without the existence of feral cat populations being supported by many volunteers throughout NA we would have a considerable rodent issue.

    I'm certain we can all make a case for a larger cat population vs larger rodent numbers.

    Neuter and release feral populations are another useful way for humans to manage the world they have created.

    Let's not criticize one of the few good countermeasures we have come up with.
  16. Kilyin

    Kilyin Well-Known Member

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    ITT - cats are predators...

    so are undomesticated dogs.

    Carry on.
  17. Faerluna

    Faerluna I'm Complicated

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    Bingo!
  18. viman96

    viman96 Thread Killer

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  19. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    You want these in our house?

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  20. davidyee

    davidyee Maple Leaf

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    ... I thought this could put a different twist to the perspective.

    "Mice normally wait at least two weeks to a month between litters. A mouse can have anywhere from 12 to 24 litters in a single year.

    With an average of 12 mice per litter, a single mouse can give birth to around 144 to 288 babies a year!"


    So based on that how many mice are in the world at any given time? Can you count the grains of sand in your sandbox? That's what we start with and they can give 288 babies per year for half of them, if we assume 50% are females.

    Right now the number of mice in continental North America is staggering. So much so that any attempt top find the stat is considered ridiculous cause the numbers are so huge.

    How many? A billion? Four billion? If you took the present population of the United States and said loosely there is one mouse for every human. Which is a fallacy because there is way more. Then 315/2=157 million mice will become 450 billion in one year. At 84 million deaths per year it would take the entire US cats population almost 5300 years to eradicate the mice in the US.

    Also your article gives unrealistic generalization of an average of two kills a week in the United States. This ignores the fact that much of the US is locked in a winter and most cats are very unsuccessful hunters in winter. Most are sitting at home in their couches.

    I haven't even begun to put together the numbers for a common NA bird species such as the Sparrow.

    Just sayin.

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