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Kiper 4 round mock draft:

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by jchap2k, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. jchap2k

    jchap2k Member

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    Has us taking:
    51. Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
    69. Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly
    101. Ladarius Webb, DB, Nicholls St.
    117. Herman Johnson, OG, LSU


    Don't really like the Barden pick. He is a very tall WR, but not fast. If we get a WR, I would think he would need to be a fast one, since we have plenty of possession WRs already. Would have much prefered this (based on who was available at each pick in this mock, picking who I think is best player available ):
    51. Louis Delmas
    69. Duke Robinson
    101. Johnny Knox
    117. James Casey


    I know we don't really NEED another TE, but if he turns out to be something special, we could trade him for something higher than the 4th round pick next season. (kind of like how GB always drafts QBs so they can trade them later)
    Anyways, he was the best player available at that pick IMO. :p

    Full mock below:
    1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16)

    Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia: Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 overall pick, thanks to his overall skill set.



    2. St. Louis Rams (2-14)

    Jason Smith, OT, Baylor: The OT spot is strong at the top with Smith, a former tight end who is supremely athletic and exactly what you want in a left tackle: someone you can count on to protect the blind side of your quarterback.



    3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14)

    Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest: He's a complete OLB with great character and work ethic, which is why it was no surprise when he nailed his combine workout.



    4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12)

    Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia: Monroe is just a shade below Jason Smith in my opinion, but is a legit top-five pick.



    5. Cleveland Browns (4-12)

    Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech: The stress fracture in his left foot shouldn't affect his draft status. He's a big-time player who should have a Larry Fitzgerald-type career in the NFL.



    6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1)

    Andre Smith, OT, Alabama: Smith has to manage his weight in order to remain on the left side. If he doesn't, he's a mauler at right tackle who could really assist the running game and do the job at that spot in pass protection. Hopefully, he'll maximize his skills in the NFL by paying more attention to detail. If he doesn't, you're looking at a major bust.



    7. Oakland Raiders (5-11)

    Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri: Maclin will have to adjust to an NFL offense, but I really like his big-play capability and the fact that he's much more explosive with the pads on than his 4.46-second 40-yard dash at the combine would lead you to believe.



    8. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11)

    Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas: I view Orakpo as a 4-3 end with the ability to also play on his feet in a 3-4 as an attacking outside linebacker. He is super-athletic and incredibly strong, but there is concern about his durability.



    9. Green Bay Packers (6-10)

    B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College: Raji is the top defensive tackle in this draft.



    10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9)

    Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State: Maybin is another combo-type who is explosive out of the blocks and relentless in his pursuit of the quarterback.



    11. Buffalo Bills (7-9)

    Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee: Ayers enjoyed a solid season in the SEC and then was one of the standouts during Senior Bowl week. He ran the 40 in 4.80 at the combine, though, which could give some teams pause.



    12. Denver Broncos (8-8)

    Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU: Jackson would be ideal in a 3-4, thanks to his ability to shift inside in passing situations.



    13. Washington Redskins (8-8)

    Mark Sanchez, QB, USC: Sanchez definitely is one of the top five to eight players available in this draft, and getting him here would be a bit of a steal, because had he returned to USC for his senior season, he likely would have been the No. 1 overall pick.



    14. New Orleans Saints (8-8)

    Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State: Wells is a nice fit for the Saints after they let running back Deuce McAllister go in the offseason. He could be a perfect complement to Reggie Bush.



    15. Houston Texans (8-8)

    Brian Cushing, OLB, USC: Cushing's ability to fit both inside and outside is the reason I've always viewed him as a surefire first-rounder.



    16. San Diego Chargers (8-8)

    Rey Maualuga, LB, USC: Maualuga is capable of becoming a quality "Mike" linebacker in the NFL, but needs to use his hands better to ward off blocks and must be more consistent from week to week.




    17. New York Jets (9-7)

    Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland: Heyward-Bey's awesome size-speed ratio should win out here and give the Jets the kind of receiver they need to open up the passing game.



    18. Denver Broncos (from Chicago) (8-8)

    Everette Brown, DE, Florida State: Brown could make an immediate impact in the Broncos' defense because of his strong skill set.



    19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7)

    Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State: Freeman is an interesting prospect because he throws a great ball and has imposing size at nearly 6-foot-6 and 245 pounds. However, his inconsistent play puts him in the boom-or-bust category.



    20. Detroit Lions (from Dallas) (0-16)

    Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi: Oher is one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. He's loaded with talent and can dominate the defense he's working against, but he also seems to have lapses in concentration when he struggles to keep his opponents at bay.



    21. Philadelphia Eagles (9-6-1)

    Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia: There isn't anything remotely close to the talent and depth at running back available in the draft last year, but Moreno is a good fit for the Eagles at this spot.



    22. Minnesota Vikings (10-6)

    Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers: Britt has a ton of talent and is just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential.



    23. New England Patriots (11-5)

    Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut: Brown could end up being one of the more productive rookie backs in 2009 because of his all-around skills and tremendous character.



    24. Atlanta Falcons (11-5)

    Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State: Pettigrew remains the No. 1 tight end on the board and would be a help to young Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan.



    25. Miami Dolphins (11-5)

    Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State: Jenkins has all the qualities you look for, with the exception of top-flight recovery speed, which is an obvious concern. Even so, he's too good an overall performer to pass up in the middle of the first round.



    26. Baltimore Ravens (11-5)

    Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois: Davis is an impressive physical specimen, but he lacked consistency with the Illini, not always performing at the elite level you would expect from a player with his natural talent and ability. He'll be a gamble.


    27. Indianapolis Colts (12-4)

    Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi: Jerry is a very underrated prospect, and would be a good fit in the Indianapolis scheme.



    28. Philadelphia Eagles (from 12-4 CAR) (9-6-1)

    Eben Britton, OT, Arizona: Britton could be a good fit for the Eagles' offensive line, although I would have liked to see him return for his senior year..



    29. New York Giants (12-4)

    Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina: Nicks won't wow you in a workout, but on game day he makes the tough catches and is the type of player who wants the ball thrown his way in clutch situations.



    30. Tennessee Titans (13-3)

    Percy Harvin, WR, Florida: Harvin reminds me of the Reggie Bush we now see with the Saints. You can utilize Harvin in a number of ways, and, like Bush, he's a scoreboard-changer. However, he also carries the same durability concerns as Bush.



    31. Arizona Cardinals (9-7)

    Larry English, LB, Northern Illinois: English set the all-time sack record at Northern Illinois, and could be an impact player in Arizona.



    32. Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4)

    Eric Wood, C, Louisville: Wood has been a player on the rise of late, and with his size and skills he could find himself a Steeler for a very long time.
    Second round

    33. Detroit Lions: James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio St.

    34. New England Patriots (from KC) : Connor Barwin, DE/LB, Cincinnati

    35. St. Louis Rams: Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut

    36. Cleveland Browns: Clay Matthews, LB, USC

    37. Seattle Seahawks: William Moore, S, Missouri

    38. Cincinnati Bengals: Alex Mack, C, California

    39. Jacksonville Jaguars: Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio St.

    40. Oakland Raiders: Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma

    41. Green Bay Packers: William Beatty, OT, Connecticut

    42. Buffalo Bills: Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina

    43. San Francisco 49ers: Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest

    44. Miami Dolphins (from Washington): Jarron Gilbert, DL, San Jose St.

    45. New York Giants (from New Orleans): Shawn Nelson, TE, So. Mississippi

    46. Houston Texans: Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri

    47. New England Patriots (from San Diego): Sean Smith, CB, Utah

    48. Denver Broncos: Ron Brace, DT, Boston College

    49. Chicago Bears: Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia

    50. Cleveland Browns (from Tampa Bay): LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh

    51. Dallas Cowboys: Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan

    52. New York Jets: Andre Brown, RB, North Carolina St.

    53. Philadelphia Eagles: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech

    54. Minnesota Vikings: Max Unger, C, Oregon

    55. Atlanta Falcons: Sherrod Martin, DB, Troy

    56. Miami Dolphins: Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia

    57. Baltimore Ravens: Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

    58. New England Patriots: Pat White, WR, West Virginia

    59. Carolina Panthers: Roy Miller, DT, Texas

    60. New York Giants: Kaluka Maiava, LB, USC

    61. Indianapolis Colts: Derrick Williams, WR, Penn St.

    62. Tennessee Titans: D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt

    63. Arizona Cardinals: Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa

    64. Pittsburgh Steelers: Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon

    Third round

    65. Detroit: Patrick Chung, S, Oregon

    66. St. Louis : Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond

    67. Kansas City: Andy Levitre, OL, Oregon St.

    68. Seattle : Donald Washington, CB, Ohio St.

    69. Dallas (from Cleveland): Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly

    70. Cincinnati: Paul Kruger, DE, Utah

    71. Oakland: Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama

    72. Jacksonville: Bradley Fletcher, CB, Iowa

    73. Green Bay: Cody Brown, LB, Connecticut

    74. San Francisco: Darcel McBath, S, Texas Tech

    75. Buffalo: T.J. Lang, OL, Eastern Michigan

    76. New York Jets (from New Orleans): Richard Quinn, TE, North Carolina

    77. Houston Texans: Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon St.

    78. San Diego: Jamon Meredith, OL, South Carolina

    79. Denver: Asher Allen, CB, Georgia

    80. Washington: Kyle Moore, DE, USC

    81. Tampa Bay: Alex Magee , DT, Purdue

    82. Detroit (from Dallas): Fili Moala, DT, USC

    83. Green Bay (from New York Jets): Tony Fiammetta, FB, Syracuse

    84. Denver (from Chicago): Louis Murphy, WR, Florida

    85. Philadelphia: Deon Butler, WR, Penn St.

    86. Minnesota: Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma

    87. Miami: Cedric Peerman, RB, Virginia

    88. Baltimore : Anthony Hill, TE, North Carolina St.

    89. New England: Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida

    90. Atlanta: Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama

    91. New York Giants: Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn

    92. Indianapolis : Jason Phillips, LB, TCU

    93. Carolina: Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin

    94. Tennessee: Marcus Freeman, LB, Ohio St.

    95. Arizona: Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri

    96. Pittsburgh: Quinten Lawrence, WR, McNeese St.

    97. New England (comp selection): Scott McKillop, LB, Pittsburgh

    98. Cincinnati (comp selection): Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty

    99. Chicago (comp selection): Chris Clemons, S, Clemson

    100. New York Giants (comp selection): Glen Coffee, RB, Alabama

    Fourth round

    101. Dallas (from Detroit): Ladarius Webb, DB, Nicholls St.

    102. Kansas City : Dannell Ellerbe, LB, Georgia

    103. St. Louis: Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian

    104. Cleveland : Coye Francies, CB, San Jose St.

    105. Seattle: James Davis, RB, Clemson

    106. Cincinnati: Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU

    107. Jacksonville: Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston St.

    108. Miami (from Oakland): Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina

    109. Green Bay: Zack Follett, LB, California

    110. Buffalo: Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson

    111. San Francisco: Mike Goodson, RB, Texas A&M

    112. Houston: David Veikune, DE, Hawaii

    113. San Diego: Emanuel Cook, S, South Carolina

    114. Denver: Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest

    115. New York Jets (from Washington): Mitch King, DL, Iowa

    116. New Orleans: Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida

    117. Dallas: Herman Johnson, OG, LSU

    118. New Orleans (from N.Y. Jets): A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn St.

    119. Chicago: Christopher Owens, CB, San Jose St.

    120. Tampa Bay: Austin Collie, WR, BYU

    121. Philadelphia: James Casey, TE, Rice

    122. Houston (from Minnesota): Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona

    123. Baltimore: Darry Beckwith, LB, LSU

    124. New England: Dan Gay, OT, Baylor

    125. Atlanta: Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington St.

    126. Oakland (from Miami): Gerald Cadogan, OT, Penn St.

    127. Indianapolis: Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan St.

    128. Carolina : Mike Wallace, WR, Mississippi

    129. New York Giants: Gregory Toler, CB, St. Paul's

    130. Tennessee: Louis Vasquez, OG, Texas Tech

    131. Arizona: Corvey Irvin, DT, Georgia

    132. Pittsburgh: Sen'Derrick Marks, DL, Auburn

    133. San Diego (comp selection): Ellis Lankster, CB, West Virginia

    134. San Diego (comp selection): Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson

    135. Tennessee (comp selection): Terrance Taylor, DT, Michigan

    136. Indianapolis (comp selection): Jonathan Casillas, LB, Wisconsin
  2. AmishCowboy

    AmishCowboy if you ain't first, you're last

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    I would rather have Ellerbe, the ILB with that 101 pick instead of Webb.
  3. This is Our Year

    This is Our Year Ohama, Kill, 52 is the Mike

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    I've seen worse from Mel, I could live with that. Not perfect, but I could live with it.
  4. Paniolo22

    Paniolo22 Hawaiian Cowboy

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    I'd rather have Quan Cosby.
  5. DaBoys4Life

    DaBoys4Life Benched

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    I actually wouldn't mind Kipers mock!
  6. ajk23az

    ajk23az Through Pain Comes Clarity

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    Which QBs has GB done this with??
  7. Chris in Arizona

    Chris in Arizona I am Death

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    Mark Brunell
    Aaron Brooks
    Matt Hasselback
    and soon, Brian Brohm
  8. jchap2k

    jchap2k Member

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    Yep, what he said :p

    I really wish that we would start doing this as well. It is a good policy to have. This way you have trade bait, plus you have young QBs that you could possibly decide to keep as the future of the franchise should you hit big on one of them.

    We could have done this with Moore, but we decided to get all cute with him while trying to sneak him into the practice squad and lost him. I bet we could have gotten somewhere between a 3th and a 6th round pick for him had we just kept developing him. Hell maybe he would have developed into Romo's heir. How will we ever find our next QB once Romo is done if we don't start drafting them often.
  9. jimmy40

    jimmy40 Well-Known Member

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    How come Maclin has to adjust to a NFL offense but Crabtree doesn't?
  10. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Crabtree ran a traditional route tree at Tech of slants, crossing patterns, fades and flies. He also ran comebacks and other "NFL" routes.

    Maclin ran a lot of trick play type stuff. I love Maclin but they didn't use him as a pure WR much at all. I'd still draft Maclin in a heartbeat. He is a big time playmaker who will make a team very happy.
  11. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    I'd like this mock a lot better if we had pick 52 as well and took Clint Sintim there.

    Barden ran a 4.55 40 at the combine at 6'6" which is really impressive. He's a raw kid but that height should make him a big, easy target to hit.
  12. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    It does seem impressive. But everytime I see a WR taller than 6'5 in the draft, I ask myself this: "in the history of the NFL, how many of those have actually made it?" Off hand, I can only think of Harold Carmichael...and that's it...ever. Were their others? Maybe James Hardy, the new kid in Buffalo will make it.
  13. reddyuta

    reddyuta Well-Known Member

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    i dont think the Bills are really impressed with him so far.
  14. BigBoy63

    BigBoy63 New Member

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    Yea. I like the way you think. Sintim with 52 would be tight. its only a signing away from being a reality.
  15. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    so Roy Miller is a 6 or 7 round prospect based on everything i am reading........but all of a sudden he goes in the 2nd round at 59.
  16. SDogo

    SDogo Not as good as I once was but as good once as I ev

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    ****, I would take that and run. For once I hope Kiper is right!
  17. Common Sense

    Common Sense Well-Known Member

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    Seems like his stock has been improving a lot as of late. Still... that's the first time I've ever seen him anywhere near the second round.
  18. SLATEmosphere

    SLATEmosphere Benched

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    Maybe I can use an extra pair of eyes..but where the heck is Sean Smith!?
  19. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    I want him in Dallas, cause he can play NT or DE in Wade's system. However, I do not want him for anything higher than a 4th.
  20. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    #47 to NE

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