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Kiper's all rookie team...

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by Risen Star, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Click the link for commentary on all the players selected.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...-matt-kalil-luke-kuechly-top-rookies-2012-nfl

    QB - Andrew Luck, Colts
    RB - Alfred Morris, Redskins; Doug Martin, Buccaneers
    FB - Evan Rodriguez, Bears
    WR - T.Y. Hilton, Colts; Justin Blackmon, Jaguars; Josh Gordon, Browns
    TE - Dwayne Allen, Colts
    LT - Matt Kalil, Vikings
    RT - Kelechi Osemele, Ravens
    G - Kevin Zeitler, Bengals; Jeff Allen, Chiefs
    C - Trevor Robinson, Bengals

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    DE - Derek Wolfe, Broncos; Kendall Reyes, Chargers; Quinton Coples, Jets
    DT - Fletcher Cox, Eagles; Michael Brockers, Rams
    ILB - Luke Kuechly, Panthers; Bobby Wagner, Seahawks
    OLB - Lavonte David, Buccaneers; Vontaze Burfict, Bengals
    CB - Janoris Jenkins, Rams; Casey Hayward, Packers
    S - Mark Barron, Buccaneers; Harrison Smith, Vikings

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    PR - Keshawn Martin, Texans
    KR - David Wilson, Giants
    K - Blair Walsh, Vikings
    P - Bryan Anger, Jaguars
     
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  2. koolaid

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    I can see why he chose Luck and I think that Luck will be a good quarterback and maybe even have the best career of everyone in this class, but I think Russell Wilson had the most impressive season of all the rookie qbs.

    -he finished the season with a 100 passer rating, which would have been a record if RG3 didn't have a passer rating of 102.4

    -he tied peyton manning's rookie passing touchdowns record with 26 Tds

    -set the record for yardage in a postseason game by a rook

    -had the best TD to Int differential for a rook in NFL history (26-10=16)

    -won a playoff game on the road, something Luck failed to do
     
  3. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    He didn't factor in the playoffs. He picked that team right after the regular season ended.

    His reasoning behind picking Luck is he had the worst supporting cast and the most responsibility. He was their team and offense. The other two, not so much.

    Wilson will end up winning rookie of the year.
     
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  4. CopenhagenCowboy

    CopenhagenCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Brockers and Wagner. No Claiborne.

    Oh well.
     
  5. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    :muttley:
    shame on you
     
  6. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    Hmmmmm. Something is missing from this pie.
     
  7. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    It will be RG3. PFW named him their ROY, and their selection and the AP one have been the same the last three years.
     
  8. CowboysYanksLakers

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    I think Russell Wilson was the best rookie QB this year...
     
  9. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Yep, Cowboy scouts actually can spot talent. Too bad they play for other teams
     
  10. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    I think Luck's the best by far but Wilson probably had the most success.

    If they give it to Griffin it's about the biggest joke of all time.
     
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  11. AmishGangsta

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    RG3 is the rookie of the year -- at least that's what I just heard on the local news. It might be a magazine or a publication nomination.

    I think they look at the whole year, which probably hurts RW.
     
  12. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    :rolleyes:
     
  13. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    Kiper doesnt know "the greatest CB to come out since deion" when he sees him
     
  14. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    this^^

    luck should be ROY
     
  15. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    He sort of gives Claiborne an honorable mention in his commentary.
     
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  16. SkinsHokieFan

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    Luck was turning it over in Rex Grossman fashion. It would be ridiculous to give him ROY when Wilson and Griffin COMBINED for fewer turnovers then Luck
     
  17. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    Consider the source of these opinions, defy common sense and choose anyone but the division rival.
     
  18. CowboyChris

    CowboyChris Well-Known Member

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    im gonna give it to Luck, i think he is already better than alot of QB's who have been in the league for awhile, and i agree he had less in place then RG3 and Wilson.
     
  19. Hoofbite

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    Is that indicative of prognostic powers or just the fact that the award wasn't nearly as hotly contested?
     
  20. NIBGoldenchild

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    The notion that Luck was working with less is easily debunked by looking at the facts.

    Luck had healthy receivers all year, he had a pro bowl veteran to throw to all season. He had a dynamic rookie WR that broke big gains off of short completions. Despite having the best WR group of the three candidates, he still made the most mistakes. You can't credit a guy for having a bunch of comebacks when he was the reason they were in a hole going into the fourth quarter in the first place. Poor decision making can't be explained away because he has a poor running game, better passers don't throw their first pass of a game directly to a LB for a pick 6. Better passers don't throw into double coverage when other WRs are open.

    Wilson outplayed Luck by throwing more touchdowns on fewer attempts, having a better passing rating, all the while working with less talented receiving options.

    RG3 outplayed Luck with his #1 WR and #1 TE both missing half the season, mediocre receivers that dropped more passes than Seattle and Indy's receivers. Meanwhile, the defenses fear of the read option allowed a sixth round pick to break the season rushing total in team history, and allowed mediocre talent to get open when they would otherwise remain covered.

    To suggest that Luck did more with less, is to ignore stats, ignore what unfolded in the games, ignore the talent he had at WR, and choose the one player who you're least likely to see for the next decade.

    RG3 > Wilson > Luck.
     

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