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Kiper's grades

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Risen Star, Apr 28, 2013.

  1. Mr Cowboy

    Mr Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, who wants players who are ready step in and play....... only in Dallas do rookie players need years on the bench to learn the game!
  2. NJ22

    NJ22 Well-Known Member

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    I think Mel summed it up pretty well. The picks were solid players but we ignored our biggest needs.
  3. Ratmatt

    Ratmatt Active Member

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    Did Tractor 1 not say in his post.The owner/GM is not going to change,and I don't think it should,so why continue calling for it to take place.
  4. jjktkk

    jjktkk Active Member

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    He thinks hes being informative.
  5. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    How many years do you think it will take any of these players to hit the field?

    I bet all of them hit the field in one way or the other this coming year whether it is special teams or even starting. That is even if they make the team.

    But you must think that all those draft picks will sit for years.

    :rolleyes:
  6. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    I guess he did...

    My bad, bro.
  7. Fansince64

    Fansince64 Active Member

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    Yes it is!!! You should learn to read sometime.


    Monte Sliger
  8. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    You are right!

    :laugh2:
  9. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    By late 2012 season, he was on Eli's bad list too for similar reasons.
  10. Deep_Freeze

    Deep_Freeze Well-Known Member

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    The biggest problem with all of this is your asking for need based drafting. That is almost always a huge fail, and the reason for some of our absolutely horrible drafts in the past.

    Saying you will just take the best safety available in the second round, without looking at the talent available at other positions, is just a terrible way to build talent on a football team. The draft is for talent acquisition, not filling needs.....and the only place need should creep in is higher up in the draft.
  11. Randy White

    Randy White Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Wait a second. Our biggest needs were OL (interior), DL, and Safety. We drafted a C in the first round and a Safety in the 3rd round.

    How's that ignoring our biggest needs ?
  12. Ratmatt

    Ratmatt Active Member

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    Well Frederick was a need based pick.There is no way he was the BPA on their board at that time.He may have been the best center on their board,but not the BPA.
  13. Deep_Freeze

    Deep_Freeze Well-Known Member

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    I agree, although that was in the 1st round where need should be a part of the equation. Was it a slight reach, of course, but with all the OL already taken, don't think they had much of a choice cause if he goes before 47......then what.......I will tell you what, alot of people complaining here we didn't do anything for the OL and having to hear that for the rest of the year.

    Now we have 2 young first rounders on our OL, pretty good thing to build on if you ask me.
  14. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    What were our biggest needs that didn't get addressed?
  15. LynnFoster

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    And that is exactly what is wrong with Mel Kiper. 2nd round draft picks are very rarely starters from day one and for literally decades Kiper has based his analysis on the idea they do. Vacarro was the only safety in this draft capable of being a solid starter from the first day of the season and he went long before the Cowboys pick.
  16. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I would list our needs pre-draft as:
    1. RG starter
    2. FS starter
    3. RT starter
    4. C starter
    5. RB backup (easiest to fill)
    6. DT rotation
    7. DE rotation
    8. LG rotation
    9. SS depth
    10. WR 3/4 rotation
    11. OLB rotation
    12. CB depth
    13. ILB backup
    14. TE backup2
    15. QB3
  17. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    Safety. More OL. DL depth and youth.

    All more important than another TE, another WR and another CB.
  18. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Here's The Sporting News' Vinny Iyer's draft grade....

    Dallas Cowboys: They're down here because they didn't get either an offensive tackle or defensive lineman, and didn't get in on the run of top safeties. Wisconsin center Travis Frederick could have been had after Round 1, and although San Diego State tight end Gavin Escobar and Baylor wide receiver Terrance Williams have bright futures, it was a case of the Cowboys adding to what they already had. William and Mary slot corner B.W. Webb might end up helping them most in '13.

    Grade: C

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...=maing-grid7|main5|dl19|sec1_lnk3&pLid=305266
  19. Randy White

    Randy White Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Travis Frederick is going to start at either guard or center, so that answers your list's #1 or #4 and #8 needs.

    Terrance Williams answers your list's #10 need

    J. J. Wilcox answers your list's #9 need, maybe by the end of training camp #2 as well.

    Joseph Randle answers your list's #5 need.

    DeVonte Holloman answers your list's #11 need.

    Gavin Escobar answers your list's #13 need.

    Even going by your own list, which doesn't necessarily reflect completely the team's needs, this draft just tried to fill 7 out of the 14 positions you just posted. Also, keep in mind we only have 7 draft picks, which makes it a little hard to fill all 14 of those needs.
  20. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Dude, he bolded the ones he felt we addressed.

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