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Kiper's grades

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Risen Star, Apr 28, 2013.

  1. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    As for Frederick. He can't play all three positons. Pick one and I'll agree.

    Of my needs list, we filled 2 of our top 8 needs. I put things like backup CB, etc on there just to make it look better.

    Hey, I admit going to the draft in real time is way harder than sitting in from of a PC doing it.

    If we wuld have drated as I wished, some of the players I wanted would not be there when we picked at times , and some I would have picked too early compared to where they went.

    I would have taken Floyd at 18, so it's hard to say exaclty what I would have done.

    But on the clock withy ouyt picks, I would most laikely have taken

    Menelick Watson, OT (maybe Cyprien)
    Johnathan Hankins, DT (maybe Swearinger or Lacy )
    Demontre Moore, DE (maybe Armstead)
    Brian Schewenke, C (maybe J Jenkins)
    Phillip Thomas, FS (maybe RB J Franklin)
    Joseph Randle, RB (maybe RB Gillisle
    Alvin Baily OG (who was not even drafted)
  2. Ratmatt

    Ratmatt Active Member

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    There is no way that Vacarro is the only safety in this draft capable of being a solid starter from day one.I can think of 2 more just in the 1st round,in Reid and Elam.
  3. Randy White

    Randy White Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Frederick can play ALL three positions. That's one of the reasons why he was so attractive to the Cowboys.

    Even going on hindsight, there's no way the Cowboys would have been able to draft a " RG starter ", a " FS starter ", a " RT starter ", and a " C starter " by staying put. Once D.J. Fluker was off the board, there wasn't anybody left in it that would have been a guarantee to come in and start at RT. JUST like there were no guarantees that Frederick would have been there when their turn came in the 2nd round. Same thing with Warmack at the guard position. So they had a choice, stay put and draft a starting safety or move back and select a starting interior offensive lineman while gaining an extra pick.

    To say that they didn't attempt to address their biggest needs is at best inaccurate.

    Just because their picks, in your, and some in here, views, were not the ones you would have made, doesn't mean they didn't try to address their needs.
  4. Randy White

    Randy White Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Then don't say the Cowboys didn't try to address their biggest needs.
  5. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I should have stated the obvious.
    He can't play all three at the same time.

    I had a needs list and he checked off all of them as if one player filled all of those starting postions.

    I agree that drafting "starters " is all in theory anyway.
    I suspect if they had taken Swearinger in the 2nd round he would start for us.
    I even think Phillip Thomas in the 4th would start for us.
    But no way to prove that.
  6. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    This is the first thing I read.

    "In my mind". Pssst. Hey Mel, that's basically what those grades mean to everyone else too.
  7. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Biggest needs in "my opinion" only.

    I consider oline and Dline and safety their main needs.

    There are 9 oline and dline positions and they drafted 1.

    I'm fine with the draft. Just because I would have gone a diff direction does not make it correct.
    Like I've said before, it's not so easy drafting in real time.
  8. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    i dont see the whole problem with age along the DL. hatcher isnt old, Ratliff has more wear. Hatcher has like 3 yrs playtime. lissemore, crawford

    I have a feeling dallas is going to sign Winston to compete with Parnell.
  9. PJTHEDOORS

    PJTHEDOORS Well-Known Member

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    Ratliff 31 (32 in August), Hatcher 30 (31 in July), Ware 30 (31 in July), Spencer 29.

    So by seasons start, Ratliff will be 32, Hatcher 31, and Ware 31. 3 of the 4 starting DL.
  10. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    I think his point was the Cowboys didn't address most of their biggest needs. He's got 2 of the top 8 needs addressed.
  11. Noryb

    Noryb Member

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Garrett say that he was the 22nd ranked player on their board? Jerry also said they had him ahead of Reid. You can argue with how they ranked them but according to their board he was not a reach.
  12. DBOY3141

    DBOY3141 Well-Known Member

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    The mediots don't know... they guess and assume on rankings. What ranking did they give the Pats third round safety? Most rankings have him as an UDFA.....don't think Belicheck ask Kipers thoughts before he made the pick.

    Biggest need on this team is center and guard...we got a good one. It's an offensive league now..OL is more valuable than DL...thus the reason so many went early.
  13. ThreeandOut

    ThreeandOut Well-Known Member

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    He was rated 22nd on their board but assigned him a 2nd round grade. So he was a slight reach based on their board.
  14. Noryb

    Noryb Member

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    I'm so sick of people calling him a reach because Kiper says so. Teams follow their board, not Kiper's.
  15. Noryb

    Noryb Member

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    It's not the Cowboys fault that only about 20 players had a 1st round grade.
  16. CowboysYanksLakers

    CowboysYanksLakers Well-Known Member

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    Who cares honestly... The picks have to perform on the field, bottom line.
  17. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    If we don't see a lot of "13" personnel packages, then Escobar was a luxury pick.
  18. Ren

    Ren Well-Known Member

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    We spent a 2nd round pick on a TE for the 3rd time in 7 years, Jerry doesn't get it
  19. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    That is the problem. What you feel we need and how the front office is running this team are different. For example, we feel good about our DL corp hence no picks there, how we want to run our offense going forward warranted another pass catching TE, we went WR because of Austin's contract and uneasy feel about one of the backups starting, Jenkins is no longer here - in a pass happy league you can never have to many good CB's and so on.
  20. dez_for_prez

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