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Kipers Mock draft 4.0- 2 rounds- All Picks!

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by cmoney23, Apr 17, 2014.

  1. cmoney23

    cmoney23 Active Member

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    Jadeveon Clowney
    Houston Texans (2-14)

    Analysis: I'm certain the debate about which player to take still exists, and whether the pick could be moved. I still think this could be a quarterback. But I believe that while more than one "safe" pick exists in this draft, it's hard to play it safer in terms of upside than selecting a generational physical talent, a guy who has exceptional physical skills and the ability to bring immediate impact and create consistent matchup problems up front as teams deal with the reality of how to block both Clowney and J.J. Watt. The questions on Clowney still aren't enough to diminish the potential impact. He's the top prospect in a draft full of very good ones, and I think Houston will feel the same.


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    Greg Robinson
    Analysis: If I'm making the pick, I'm willing to consider Sammy Watkins here based on need, and would also certainly consider the option of moving down a few spots if the offer is rich enough. But Robinson is one of the better offensive linemen to enter the draft in years, with the upside of an All-Pro at left tackle, capable of neutralizing the best pass-rushers and absolutely mauling defenders in the run game. St. Louis can select him knowing an impact wide receiver is still going to be available at No. 13 (and even beyond that given the depth at the position).

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    Sammy Watkins
    Jacksonville Jaguars (4-12)
    Analysis: The temptation to take a quarterback here may exist, but I look at the trajectory of this organization, both in performance and in personnel development, and I believe the Jaguars will look to take the best player available here, and in Watkins, they also add a dynamic talent at a position of need. Given the uncertain future of Justin Blackmon, the top two wide receivers on the roster are Cecil Shorts and Ace Sanders. Neither has the upside of Watkins, who will make the QB -- whoever that ends up being -- better.


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    Johnny Manziel
    Cleveland Browns (4-12)

    Analysis: Manziel is not my top-rated QB, but he is the QB I believe (right now) is likeliest to go this high, as I believe a team like Cleveland, with a number of draft assets and a QB on the roster it feels can create a bridge to a young starter, is in a good scenario to take a chance on Manziel's ceiling. The Browns owning the No. 26 pick as well as an early second-rounder gives them a chance to take a player like Watkins here if available and consider a QB later, but this is how I see it as of right now.

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    Khalil Mack
    Oakland Raiders (4-12)

    Analysis: Oakland's move to add Matt Schaub puts the Raiders back in position to take the best player available as opposed to making a slight reach at quarterback. Mack gives the Raiders a needed pass-rusher, even though they've already spent some money on the position in free agency, adding Lamarr Woodley and Justin Tuck. Mack would also provide them with another good building-block player on defense, along with fellow linebacker Sio Moore. I also think the Raiders should consider moving down and collecting additional pick assets.

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    Taylor Lewan
    Atlanta Falcons (4-12)

    Analysis: I consider tackle a big need for Atlanta, a team that last year balanced an inability to consistently protect Matt Ryan with a consistent inability to open holes for anybody Ryan handed the ball off to. While Robinson and Jake Matthews are both very good players and should be at the next level, there's a case to be made that Lewan is the most ready tackle for NFL competition, with four good years under his belt. I think he could start at right or left tackle in Week 1.


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    Mike Evans
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)

    Analysis: The Bucs brought in a new QB and addressed some needs on defense in free agency, but I still see wide receiver as a pretty significant need, with Vincent Jackson 31 and entering what could be his final season in Tampa, and no depth behind him. And if you just want to be able to say you're drafting the best player available on the board at this slot, if you take Evans, you can do that too. Evans makes up for a lack of short-area burst (and thus the ability to separate underneath) by dominating at the catch point, particularly up high. The combination of him and Jackson will be a matchup nightmare, particularly in the red zone.

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    Blake Bortles
    Minnesota Vikings (5-10-1)

    Analysis: The combination of Matt Cassel and Christian Ponder will provide a bridge to Bortles, a player I believe would benefit from not starting early as he develops a familiarity with an offense that requires more downfield reads. I don't have Bortles rated as high as I do Bridgewater, but again, this is a projection of where players will be chosen, not my prospect rankings. What I will say is that I do believe Bortles has a high ceiling because he's a pretty special athlete with some really good instincts for the position; his pocket movement in particular is really impressive. When you consider his development trajectory, there's a lot to be excited about.

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    Jake Matthews
    Buffalo Bills (6-10)

    Analysis: I just really like this fit both in scheme and need, and Matthews is the best player left on the board at this point anyway. Despite my early belief that Cordy Glenn would be better on the right side, he's been a good player at left tackle, which means Matthews likely comes in as the needed solution on the right side. The transition from left tackle to right and vice versa tends to get tossed about as something that's no big deal, but it can be a tough one for players, which makes Matthews that much more valuable, because he's demonstrated an ability to, frankly, dominate on either side.

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    Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
    Detroit Lions (7-9)

    Analysis: The addition of James Ihedigbo in free agency doesn't diminish Detroit's need for more help at safety. Getting the top free safety in the draft, a guy who will distinguish himself with his ability to cover with great range, fills a pretty big personnel void for Detroit, and this isn't much of a leap in terms of where Clinton-Dix's name is stacked on most draft boards. I do think Detroit could consider a corner here, I just see Clinton-Dix as a better player and a likelier early impact maker for a team that should feel like it can be in the playoff picture if it can be better in coverage. The depth at CB in this draft means the Lions can add one later.

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    Justin Gilbert
    Tennessee Titans (7-9)


    12
    Eric Ebron
    New York Giants (7-9)


    13
    Darqueze Dennard
    St. Louis Rams (7-9)




    14
    Aaron Donald
    Chicago Bears (8-8)



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    Odell Beckham Jr.
    Pittsburgh Steelers (8-8)


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    Zack Martin
    Dallas Cowboys (8-8)

    COLLEGE: Notre Dame
    HT: 6-4
    WT: 308
    POS: OT
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    Analysis: Dallas fans might find this quizzical given the need along the defensive line, but consider what's available: Donald is out of the picture, I think Dallas should see this slot as too rich for a player like Anthony Barr, who is a questionable system fit anyway, and the top safety is also off the board. Martin makes sense as a player who can shore up the right tackle position, which is a problem area. I also think this is a place where the Cowboys could look to move if they don't see the value here at those bigger need positions. It's what they did last year.


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    Calvin Pryor
    Baltimore Ravens (8-8)
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    18
    Brandin Cooks
    New York Jets (8-8)


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    C.J. Mosley
    Miami Dolphins (8-8)




    20
    Derek Carr
    Arizona Cardinals (10-6)




    21
    Ryan Shazier
    Green Bay Packers (8-7-1)




    22
    Kelvin Benjamin
    Philadelphia Eagles (10-6)




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    Marqise Lee
    Kansas City Chiefs (11-5)




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    Bradley Roby
    Cincinnati Bengals (11-5)




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    Anthony Barr
    San Diego Chargers (9-7)





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    Kyle Fuller
    Cleveland Browns (4-12)




    27
    Cody Latimer
    New Orleans Saints (11-5)

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    Morgan Moses
    Carolina Panthers (12-4)

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    Ra'Shede Hageman
    New England Patriots (12-4)




    30
    Jordan Matthews
    San Francisco 49ers (12-4)




    31
    Jason Verrett
    Denver Broncos (13-3)




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    Stephon Tuitt
    Seattle Seahawks (13-3)




    Round 2

    33. Houston Texans | *Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

    34. Washington Redskins | Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
    35. Cleveland Browns | *Davante Adams, WR, Fresno St.
    36. Oakland Raiders | *Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St.

    37. Atlanta Falcons | Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
    38. Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi St.
    39. Jacksonville Jaguars | Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
    40. Minnesota Vikings | Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU
    41. Buffalo Bills | *Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise St.

    42. Tennessee Titans | Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
    43. New York Giants | *Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
    44. St. Louis Rams | Jimmie Ward, S, No. Illinois
    45. Detroit Lions | Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
    46. Pittsburgh Steelers | *Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame


    47. Dallas Cowboys | Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.
    The Cowboys' current depth chart has J.J. Wilcox and Barry Church as starters at safety, and the experienced Bucannon, one of the biggest hitters in the draft, is a player who can get on the field early.


    48. Baltimore Ravens | *Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina
    49. New York Jets | *Austin Seferian-Jenkins
    50. Miami Dolphins | Joel Bitonio, OL, Nevada

    51. Chicago Bears | Lamarcus Joyner, CB, Florida St.
    52. Arizona Cardinals | Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech
    53. Green Bay Packers | *Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
    54. Philadelphia Eagles | Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
    55. Cincinnati Bengals | *Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
    56. San Francisco 49ers (from KC) | Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice
    57. San Diego Chargers | *Donte Moncrief, WR, Mississippi
    58. New Orleans Saints | Keith McGill, CB, Utah
    59. Indianapolis Colts | *Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
    60. Carolina Panthers | Josh Huff, WR, Oregon
    61. San Francisco 49ers | *Marcus Martin, C, USC

    62. New England Patriots | Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio St.
    63. Denver Broncos | *David Yankey, OG, Stanford
    64. Seattle Seahawks | Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee
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  2. Szczepanik

    Szczepanik Well-Known Member

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    I am never a fan of Kiper's drafts. Not to be nit picky here but come on Mel. I don't see us passing on Barr and grabbing S in the 2nd if Ward is gone.
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  3. Nirvana

    Nirvana Well-Known Member

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    Give me Barr and Bitonio instead.

    Bitono just visited the Rams. If they were going to pick Robinson, why bother? I'm betting they take Watkins with the second pick.

    I don't see how Bridgewater falls that far, but if he does, the Texans win this draft with just the first two rounds so far.
  4. Fla Cowpoke

    Fla Cowpoke Well-Known Member

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    Why Dallas needs another SS is beyond me. I know Church is considered a FS in our system, but his skills are SS all the way. We need a ballhawk S.
  5. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    Not surprised by the first.

    Hate the second pick
  6. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Barr and Bitonio would be a very good haul in this scenario
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  7. dwight

    dwight Active Member

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    The second pick is just horrible. I hope Jernigan falls big so Dallas can select him at the 47th pick.
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  8. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    how about the giants getting the best TE and arguably the best OG in the draft with their two picks? Kiper form NY?
  9. Hardline

    Hardline Benched

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    Sickens me that only one QB goes top 15. We need at least three to go. It sucks that all these so-called QB needy teams passing them up for players I want to slip to us.
  10. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    Where is critchon. I doubt he drops out of the 2nd.
  11. Chuck 54

    Chuck 54 Well-Known Member

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    I think Barr is a huge risk unless you want to actually play him at OLB. Everything I've read is that while he makes a lot of plays, he plays soft. He's not a hitter, but wraps and drags guys to the ground. He was not an impact player this past year, and I just don't see him having the type of game to transition to DE with his hand on the ground, taking on an OT every play at 250 lbs without a mean streak.

    I don't mind Mel's selections because I think they were predicated on the fact that players who would be better fits on defense were already off the board and Jernigan is no longer viewed as worthy of that high a pick by us. The draft could easily fall this way, in which case we need to take the best players available (OT in first) or try to trade down into the proper slots for the DT's and DE's. Facts are that we may just have to find more defensive linemen in the middle rounds unless we drop into the range for Rasheed Hagemen or the second/third tier DE's.
  12. 31smackdown

    31smackdown Active Member

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    Wouldn't Dallas be better off with Calvin Pryor and Bitonio in this scenario? Is there a reason that Pryor is not being considered? I think some teams likely have him rated higher than Ha Ha. I'm still hoping for a trade down with Cleveland for their 1 and 2 with Cleveland making the move up for a QB.
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  13. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    Actually, he has two (Manziel - 4, Bortles - 8), but yeah, it'd be nice if at least one of the other two went early as well.
  14. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Very highly doubt Lewan goes before Matthews on draft day.

    No thanks to Bucannon in the 2nd. Good player, but there's too many others worth taking there that also fit greater needs..
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  15. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    He's a Raven's fan.
  16. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Its the annual bout of Kiper logic. We need a FS upgrade and have a 3rd round pick with upside who now has a year in the system but Kiper's answer to the problem isn't the normal improvement young players show, its to spend a 2nd round pick a player with no time in our system.
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  17. ThreeandOut

    ThreeandOut Well-Known Member

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    Give me either Martin and Chichton or Barr and Joyner.
  18. Mr Cowboy

    Mr Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    One problem with mock drafts is that the mockers only look at current team needs, and not project what the teams might need a year or two from now. For example, your star DE is still productive, but on the down side of his career, with an expiring contract after next year. A prudent GM would look at drafting his replacement this year, and have him ready to go for next year. It is the wrong approach to be drafting for need every year.

    The Cowboys are getting younger everywhere on this team. Free is playing onhe ast year of his contract, and over30 and would probably require a significant bump to get him sghned next year. That is why you look to draft his replacement in this draft. The Cowboys still have to fill their needs, but not over reach to fill them.
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  19. JIMMYBUFFETT

    JIMMYBUFFETT Skinwalker

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    Me either. Where's Kony Ealy?
  20. NeonDeion21

    NeonDeion21 Well-Known Member

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    Kiper has said that he is a late 3rd or 4th for him.

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