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Kipers top 5 per position updated

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by supercowboy8, Apr 4, 2012.

  1. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    It is a little hard to do that as a recluse shut in.
  2. The30YardSlant

    The30YardSlant Benched

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    Statistically, he's one of the worst. He hasnt correctly predicted better than 45% of first round picks in 9 years. A couple years ago he missed on SEVEN of the top 10.

    He was good once, then got rich and lazy. He's not even the best draft man employed by ESPN anymore.
  3. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Exactly. He was a walking encyclopedia of draft info but in the few times he did media, he was awkward and monotone.
  4. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    So you are saying as well, that current statistics in calling who is drafted means calling the identical failures that occur as well. If it dealt with accurately calling talents that transfer to the NFL, then why call failures for teams? Kind of patting oneself on the back...for your own vanity.
  5. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    That means actual knowledge and it's applications, not burn barrel appeal...
  6. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    I don't pay much attention to mock drafts. Though I do know the Huddle Report keeps those stats and Kiper is usually respectable on their lists.

    I'm far more interested in accurate evaluations of players rather than where they end up going. I'll find that out through the course of the draft. Tell me who can play and who can't. You're gonna whiff a lot, everybody does, but the good ones also hit it over the fence on a regular basis too.

    Mel's not the only voice I respect, but he's definitely at the top of the list. And in terms of impact on the draft itself, he's hair, head and shoulders over the various impersonators that have popped up over the years.
  7. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    I'll agree, he puts on a good show on draft days...
  8. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Mel flares his nostrils too much for me to pay attention to what he is saying.

    Watch him next time, especially when someone is countering his opinion. His nose holes will be flexing.

    Almost like JA Adande. When I used to watch Around The Horn I started to notice that he NEVER BLINKS. Seriously, seeing him blink is a rarity. When I first noticed it, it had to be a good minute of him holding his eyes open.
  9. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    That to me atleast doesn't matter. I'm too lazy to do the research, but player rankings really show who has better draft knowledge. Why should anyone look down on him if a team reaches for a player, and that player still sucks?
  10. AdamJT13

    AdamJT13 Salary Cap Analyst

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    True, but 95 percent of the draft "experts" out there aren't on TV anyway.
  11. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Why am I not surprised that Risen chooses style over substance?
  12. hipfake08

    hipfake08 Well-Known Member

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    Caught on there have you. A 10 year old can give you the top 5 at any position. And people pay for that. Sad.
  13. Chuck 54

    Chuck 54 Well-Known Member

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    Kiper doesn't put much energy or effort into mock drafts.

    His niche has always been evaluation and records of players from HS through college; he's very good at projecting how successful players will be at the next level; he's also very good at explaining the draft and its importance and pointing out teams that are always poor because they don't really get it.

    For years when asked to do mock drafts, Kiper would basically list his top 32 players with only a few changes with respect to team needs because he is definitely a BPA guy in round 1.

    In recent years, he has started paying more attention to team needs and trying to put more into his mock drafts because that's a money maker and fan pleaser, but I don't think he really cares whether or not he predicts the teams moves because he's not into studying teams as much as he is into studying college players.

    I love his Draft Report, but I look to others for as many mock drafts as I can. There's a reason why Goose usually does pretty well with his final mock draft, and it's not because he knows the college players better than anyone else.
  14. wittenacious

    wittenacious Active Member

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    Joel Buchsbaum, 48, Who Won Renown as Pro Football Analyst
    Published: December 31, 2002

    ''Draft day is now the second biggest day of the year behind the Super Bowl,'' the Giants general
    manager, Ernie Accorsi, said yesterday. ''Joel had a lot to do with what became the glorification
    of draft day. ESPN started putting it on the air live, but Joel helped them get interested in it.''


    Full NY Times.com obit: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/31/n...8-who-won-renown-as-pro-football-analyst.html
  15. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Correctamundo.
  16. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    As an aside, what do you think of Joel's successor at PFW Nolan Nawrocki?

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