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Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by Doomsday101, Mar 26, 2014.

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  1. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think anybody is suggesting that the demise of college sports completely. I think what is being discussed is the demise of College Sports in Schools that are not at the very top of the heap. I.E., Power Conferences.
  2. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Those students, for the most part, are paying for their educations. Not so with the large majortiy Scholar Athletes. A very important distinction I believe.
  3. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    Those schools already get the bargain basement prospects anyway... The market may dictate that those players "compensation" is only going to be scholarship. How would that be any different than it is now?
  4. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    Why is it an important distinction?
  5. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Because it's not about the talent. It's about the profitability of a Sports Program if you are not in a Power Conference.
  6. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I think you know why pep. One is paying their own way and the other is having their way payed for by a University. When I buy my own car, I can say how I want to drive it and when I want to drive it. When, for example, my parents by my car and I am being supported by them, I must live by their rules and if those rules say I can't drive it after Midnight, then that's how it is until I am paying my own way.

    This may be a bit simplistic but that is how it works IMO.
  7. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Let players go on strike and see what happens. College is still going to bring in money and students will still attend to get an education. Players can sit, college is not dependent on athletics to survive. NFL has one business outside of the game there is no other means of survival so when NFL goes on strike both owners and players feel it, College will survive with or without student athletes.
  8. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    If those non-power conference schools are profitable now by just offering scholarships to players, then how will continuing to offer scholarships to players change anything?

    You're not understanding.

    If the traditional student is an employee, that employer controls what the student does -- as an employee. When the student-athlete is following the rules dictated to him, he follows the rules because if he doesn't he won't get to play football. The rules are dictated to student-athlete the same as they are an employee. The traditional student doesn't have the same regulations as the student-athlete, because the traditional student is not an employee of the school.
  9. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    I seriously doubt colleges want to discontinue having revenue-producing sports teams. Yeah, let's just forget those billions we're making.
  10. ABQCOWBOY

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  11. Doomsday101

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    I'm sure they would rather not but again the money that comes into the schools goes to more than just the football program or basketball it goes to all the athletic programs they have and it goes into scholorships in the different program which in turn gives kids many who would never be able to afford a college education the oppertunity to do so. Vast majority will get more use out of that paper as opposed to having any chance at a pro career.
  12. Doomsday101

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    The other factor is unlike other business college are not surviving on college sports, this is not the NFL where if they don't play owners and players suffer the colleges are not dependent upon college sports
  13. peplaw06

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    I don't see what the costs of the union have to do with it. Schools don't bear the costs of the union. And conceivably the student-athlete doesn't have to be a part of the union. If the student-athletes want to continue to play only on a scholarship, they should be able to do that.

    So if there are no more costs, then nothing changes.

    The terms student-athlete and employee are not mutually exclusive.
  14. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    So what? Why do we put it on the backs of the student-athletes' labor and skills to subsidize the scholarships of those who can't afford a college education?

    Even more reason why the players need to be properly represented. The colleges have all the leverage.
  15. Doomsday101

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    Put it on the backs? This is not forced labor no one is making them take the scholarship to play sports and get a top notch education in the process.
    Yes college has leverage they are allowing kids who many can't afford to go to college the opportunity to do so by playing sports. How dare they.
    I’m all in favor of giving kids a certain amount of spending money because they can’t take on jobs between school and sports and I think it should be an equal amount given to each member of the team. This is not pay for play it is a means to help the kids out the real payment is the fact you are getting a top notch education that will last a life time when for many that opportunity would not be there for them at all.
  16. ABQCOWBOY

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    I am not all together sure if you are being serious here or not. I think you are being intentionally obtuse in this matter. You know full well that Unionization eventually means additional costs.

    But they can be and, I would guess, will be if the players Unionize.
  17. ABQCOWBOY

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    Why do we put it on the backs of citizens to do the same thing?

    If you believe this, then that's fine but don't try and say that everybody is going to be just fine if Unionization actually happens. There will be winners (Power Conferences) and there will be losers (all other conferences).
  18. Doomsday101

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    So if they are now employees their scholarship will no longer be tax free they will have to pay taxes on that which they do not do now. While bigger school may not cut programs they could reduce the amount of scholarships they hand out . There no doubt will be gained benefits in the process of now being an employee but there are some draw backs as well.
  19. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    As I have said before the appeal is going to look to see if the school is financially compensated for the service provided by the 'student-athlete.' If that is the case then the appeal will stand. You cant talk about special cases and how the NCAA is special like an angel but I have see the legal arguments and I know that the law doesn't find it a worth exception.

    This really comes down to the freedom of the individual. People that are not sports fans see it right away. 50 guys cannot make legal entities and control the lives of a group of people without their consent for the rest of eternity. It's why I say the NCAA needs to get out in front. I like the idea of the institution. I am just like the ethic of consent of the governed even more.
  20. Doomsday101

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    There are some things I would like to see the NCAA do in terms of helping student athletes such as set amount for each student because it is impossible to play and go to class and take on a part time job. However not a situation where QB are getting paid big money while some other kid is getting little. Also this ruling only covers kids coming in on scholarships so what about the walk on?
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