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Learn from the Patriots: Theres Power in Loyalty

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by coblue, Jan 31, 2008.

  1. coblue

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  2. SultanOfSix

    SultanOfSix Star Power

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    I wonder if he did a statistical analysis on the Pats' video tapes of other teams' signals.
  3. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    :rolleyes:

    So where was Adams in Belichick's first 6 years as coach and in the first 2 games of the 2001 season before Bledsoe got injured on a fluke play and Brady came in?

    Hate to tell the author that Dallas was on the forefront of football statistics, tendencies, and research back in the late 60's and early 70's. Hell, they made a movie about it.



    YAKUZA
  4. Nors

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    That is a total great read -

    On loyalty of BB and how detailed they are at everything they do. Especially hoe BB goes for it on 4th down a lot versus punting.

    My moles say this guy is the guy who says yes no on challenges and is the guy breaking down teams signals real time.

    Jimmy Johnson said he stopped taping signals because he didn't gain anything doing it. You need a genious like this to actually do it. Kinda like counting cards at the casino, Few can actually do it!
  5. Bach

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    Your moles talk to you?

    Dude, I'd see a dermatologist if I were you.
  6. tyke1doe

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    :laugh2:
  7. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Still bitter I see. ;)
  8. Nors

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    Baseball teams never try and steal 3rd base coach signs!

    It's totally legal to tape signs from upstairs or with Binoculers. Pats were busted for taking video from the field. I'm sure Ernie has it all in his head and is still dogging stupid teams that get complacent with signals.

    Good story on loyalty and attention to detail.
  9. Rampage

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    i wonder if he would be a "genious" without Tom Brady?
  10. Big Country

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    doubt it...
  11. Nors

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    Valid point, maybe Brady is this era's Joe Montana. Attention to detail and preparation.
  12. SultanOfSix

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    :lmao2:

    Bitter about cheaters and hacks? You wish.
  13. yimyammer

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    I'll probably get lynched for admiting this, but I really like Bellichik and the New England coaching and management philosphy and I really like guys like Adams . This article just provides more insight into how the Pats are playing chess and the rest of the league is struggling just to play checkers.

    Gawd, I wish the Cowboys could find some football freak genius's like the Pats have. Hopefully Garrett will prove to be one......
  14. TheHerd

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    The media loves to cover this angle of the Patriots. The fans around here lap it up like honey (I'm in NE). I sear everyone around here thinks Belichick is the only coach who actually studies film and the Pats are the only team who hold practices.

    I've got news for everyone - all head coaches prepare like crazy. All team use stats and all teams practice and prepare. Hell - Wade even said they spent tons of time every day in the week before the Giants game practicing for the exact play that killed us. Why did we fail? Because Reeves and Roy suck.

    The Pats are a top team, and Belichick is a top coach. But two things push them over the top: guts and Brady. If they lose either, they will still be good but just another good team.
  15. tyke1doe

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    Cheaters and hacks about to win their fourth Super Bowl while our team is sitting home with its stale popcorn.
  16. tyke1doe

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    It's amazing how upset fans are getting over this as if cheating doesn't happen in the league. :rolleyes:

    The Cowboys cheated, even Jimmy Johnson admits as much.

    But Cowboys fans would get fighting mad if someone wanted to toss asterisks on their Super Bowls.

    The only difference is the technology used to steal signals. But it's the same as trying to make a distinction between killing someone with a knife or a light saber - excuse the crude Star Wars reference.

    If you're going to get morally outraged over cheating, then NO cheating should be acceptable, including the cheating done by the Cowboys.
  17. SultanOfSix

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    Whoopadeedoo!

    You can win as many things as you want while you're a cheater. It still doesn't make you any less of the latter.
  18. tyke1doe

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    Yep, the cheating Cowboys have two Super Bowls during the reign of signal-thief Jimmy Johnson.

    It doesn't matter because no matter how you slice it, the Cowboys are still Super Bowl champions of the 92-93, 93-94 season . :D
  19. SultanOfSix

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    ROFLMAO. You and Nors must be the same person.

    Your argument is vacuous, because what JJ did wasn't illegal, nor was it considered cheating by the NFL, nor was it like what Bellicheat did. But, let's not let facts get in the way of your Cheats defending agenda.
  20. tyke1doe

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    ooooo! "Vacuous."
    We're pulling out the $5 words now. :laugh:

    First, you are making an argument about "cheating" not that it was illegal. We already know it was illegal, according to NFL policy. And based on the policy, they were punished. But you don't like the punishment so you continue to call them cheaters. You are focusing on their ACTION not the policy.

    Well, if that's the case, then the Cowboys cheated also.

    Second, if you're going to talk about illegalities, then that disqualifies the Cowboys even more so because Hollywood Henderson admitted to taking drugs during the Cowboys Super Bowl years. So, by your argument, the Cowboys benefited from a cheater, i.e., a man who was doped up while playing.

    Moreover, we know that Michael Irvin had a drug problem - during his years with the Cowboys. It was just kept under wraps until Jimmy Johnson left. And you do know taking drugs is illegal, both according to NFL policy and the laws of this land, right?

    So if you want to make a big about illegal all of the Cowboys Super Bowl wins had an element of illegality to them, no matter how you want to look at it.

    Pulease. That's what happens when people become self-righteous, they invite scrutiny upon themselves and expose their own faults.

    The Cowboys were as guilty as any other franchise in terms of illegality, if we use your selective definition. They benefited from wins by playing players who KNOWINGLY violated the rules of the NFL.

    Here's a stone. Aim it in the direction of your own glass house. ;)

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