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Liberal Wash. Post writer lambasts Obama

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Angus, Sep 9, 2008.

  1. Angus

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    Too Cool to Fight?

    By Richard Cohen
    Tuesday, September 9, 2008; Page A23

    Thank God for Sarah Palin. Without her jibes, her sarcasm, her exaggerations, her smug provincialism, her hypocrisy about family and government, her exploitation of mommyhood, and her personal attacks on Barack Obama, the Democratic base might never be consolidated. This much is certain: Obama could never do it.

    Not, anyway, the Obama who appeared Sunday on ABC's "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos. That Obama was cool, diffident, above it all -- unflustered, unflappable, unexcitable and downright unexciting. These "uns" ran on, a torrent of cool that frosted my flat-panel TV and had me wondering if, as a kid, Obama ever got a shot in the mouth on the playground, he'd glare at the bully -- and convene a meeting.

    Stephanopoulos vainly tried for some genuine reaction. In choosing Palin, did John McCain get someone who met the minimum test of being "capable of being president"? Everyone in America knows the answer to that. They know McCain picked someone so unqualified she has been hiding from the media because a question to her is like kryptonite to what's-his-name. But did Obama say anything like that? Here are his exact words: "Well, you know, I'll let you ask John McCain when he's on ABC." Boy, Palin will never get over that.

    And how about this silly business that she's qualified for the presidency because she's commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard? Another softball. Another slow one, right down the middle. Obama reared back . . . and told Stephanopoulos that those questions should come from the media: "It's going to be your job and. . . ." Pathetic.

    What Obama does not understand is that he is being Swift-boated. The term does not apply to a mere smear. It is bolder, more outrageous than that. It means going straight at your opponent's strength and maligning it. This is what was done in 2004 to John Kerry, who had commanded a Swift boat in Vietnam. Kerry had won three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star and emerged from the war a certified hero. It was that record that his opponents attacked, a tactic Kerry thought so ludicrous that he at first ignored it. The record shows that he lost the election.

    Now Obama's opponents are going straight for his strength. At least twice at the GOP convention, speakers mocked Obama's service as a community organizer. "He worked as a community organizer," Rudy Giuliani said. "He immersed himself in Chicago machine politics."
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    And then Palin herself followed up with one of her aw-shucks low blows: "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities."

    In the biographies of both presidential candidates are episodes of pure wonderment. No man can read about McCain's time as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam and not wonder, "Could I do that?" For most of us, the answer -- the truthful answer -- is no.

    For Obama, that episode has nothing to do with physical courage but much to do with moral commitment. At age 22 -- a graduate of Columbia University and already making good money as a financial researcher, he walked away to work with the unemployed and alienated in Chicago. Obama, who later went to Harvard Law School, knew precisely what a valuable commodity he was and how much money he could have made. He turned away from all that -- or, at least, postponed it, and not because community organizing was the route to political success. (Just name one.) Once again, ask yourself if you would have done it.

    So, Stephanopoulos asked, what was Obama thinking when Giuliani mocked him for doing something Giuliani -- the most ambitious of men -- would never have done?

    "It's a real puzzling thing," Obama said matter-of-factly. And then he went on to recount his experience as a community organizer, ending with the observation that "I would think that that's an area where Democrats and Republicans would agree."

    Oy!

    It is true that on the stump, Obama goes on the attack. But those are fragments -- maybe 15 seconds on the evening news. It is with extended interviews, such as the Sunday shows, that we get to visit with the man -- and that man, for all his splendid virtues, seems to lack fight. Maybe he's worried about how America would receive an angry black man or maybe he's just too cool to ever get hot, but the result is that we have little insight into his passions: What, above all, does he care about? The answer, at least to the Sunday TV viewer, was nothing much.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090801909.html
  2. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    that rats are leaving the ship
  3. iceberg

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    the rats are tired of people whining at palins lack of experience from obama who has even less than she does and he's closer to the presidency than she is.

    unless he admits (as the dems seem to do) that she IS closer to being president cause he won't win.

    i'm tired of the blantat tag you're it politics many whine about but few stop doing.

    if palin doesn't have legit experience, fine. it's a valid concern.

    now lets use that paint brush fairly and in the proper places, shall we? or is this where the landscape suddenly changes?

    does obama have more experience than palin? also, why are they so worried about the VP vs. the P candidate? what they're doing makes no sense and all the quick jabs and hits and "rats" comments won't help at all.

    and now the press is worried obama isn't getting enough coverage? puh-leeze. and finally, how is this article lambasting obama? valid titles not getting you the attention the whiney children need?
  4. CanadianCowboysFan

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    The Democrats will rue the day they didn't vote for the Clintons.

    Palin would never have been given such a free ride had Carville and his boys been the lead pitbulls.

    At the same time, why should Obama say anything about her, she is only the VP candidate. He should worry more about the 72 year old.
  5. iceberg

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    and you should find some security blanket around your dreams and allow standards to be warped to perspectives vs. holding us all to the same set.

    i'm not talking generalizations, those suck and all people do is OH YEA??? their way around and throw back some poorly thought out quib to hide behind to do anything but think that perhaps the other side has a point.

    the world would end if we could ever do that first.

    the simple fact in this case is 1. this title is misleading 2. the obama campaign is openly hypocritical about the 'experience' issue and they even misplace it more or less hoping for a mccain death so they have some fear to spread around to force people to their side.

    does obama have more experience than palin? is this a apples to apples comparison or the only bullet they have left?
  6. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    This wasn't an "aw-shucks low blow." This was a precisely timed, devastating counter punch; she was responding directly to attacks the Obama campaign had launched against her experience and readiness.

    Palin didn't start that particular line of criticism, but she did finish it. Don't hate the player, Mr. Cohen. Hate the game.

    Quite frankly, the Left's reasoning in this article is a trifle befuddling: When members and "former" members of the Obama campaign viciously attack Palin's maternal abilities and question whether or not she's qualified to be Vice President, they're perfectly justified. Yet, when Palin and the McCain campaign question whether or not Obama is qualified to be President, they're satan spawn engaging in swiftboat-esque tactics.

    Where's the intellectual honesty?

    Why don't we ask Hillary Clinton supporters what they think of Obama's tactics?
  7. SultanOfSix

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    I still don't see how Obama is hypocritical over the experience issue, which was specifically a foreign policy experience issue. It was the McCain camp who questioned his such experience first, and then chose a VP candidate who has just as little experience as well. I saw it as more of a "how can you attack me for a qualification that you don't take into consideration" rebuttal? To me, it appeared more hypocritical for McCain post facto. Sure, she's not going to be the president, but it's a two person ticket now, and she can be one assassin's bullet or a heart attack away from taking over the most powerful office in the world.
  8. iceberg

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    like i said - a standard is a standard. period. if experience is an issue (and i agree, a very valid one but moreso for president vs. president) then let's see what experience both parties bring.

    well, they can't attack mccain on this one so they tell you he's bush even though his voting record (when you look past 1 year) tells you otherwise.

    that's out.

    now let's attack the new kid and historically the new kid has very little experience.

    well is obama or palin the new kid? well they both are. so let's attack 1 who's NOT running for president and say she has no experience.

    then let's ignore that our own PRESIDENTIAL candidate has even less.

    yes with mccains age it's a valid concern.
    however, with obama's YOUTH it's just as valid.

    i simply cannot stand the twisting of standards to fit a side and have to wonder how on earth people can overlook such things to pursue their political beliefs or continue to think they're right cause they can slant a perspective vs. daring to see it how it is.

    i'll ask again - does obama have more or less experience than mccain?

    that should be simple. that's pres vs. pres and avoided? why?

    does obama have more or less experience than palin?

    that's played to the hilt but ignored and cried upon when applied evenly.

    this is what i hate about liberals. "do as i say not as i do". well if it's not good enough for you to live by, i damn sure won't buy that stink.
  9. CanadianCowboysFan

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    Scipio, you don't actually expect intellectual honesty in a political campaign do you?

    Hell, listening to the right, if the Democrats are in power, the borders will be opened up and terrorist attacks will occur every day. That is dishonest because the Dems do not support terrorists anymore than the Reps and to say an attack will occur is dishonest since the attack that is claimed to have changed the world happened during a Rep administration.

    Politics is all about the game.
  10. iceberg

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    because he doesn't have any either? and is attacking the #2 about experience really an issue when #1 has it covered?

    to a point yes. experience is vital now. would you agree? and if so, exactly *what* is obama's experience here?

    i'm not debating the attacks or the reasons behind them - i'm digging for facts. what is obama's foreign experience that puts himself well ahead of 1 sides VP candidate and well behind the Pres candidate and why avoid 1 to attack the other?

    as for pronouncing mccain dead so easily, another FEAR/FUD tactic. "the old man is gonna die then what!!?????"

    i'm not voting on what *might* happen in a worst case scenario yet that's what they seem to be telling me.

    so i'll ask again - and hope one day a reply quits fighting and just answers it.

    how is obama more experienced than palin? first, what has obama done in the interest of foreign policy?
  11. iceberg

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    does obama have more experience than palin?
  12. JBond

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    That whole article is so poor it made me throw up a little in my mouth. Almost everyone has figured out Obama can't measure up to Palin let alone McCain in experience. I am confused how Obama made money to live on when quit his job to work with homeless people.

    If working with the homless really means with the help of a terrorist distribute 48 million dollars to the Chicago political machine and get elected to a state senate seat, then ya I guess he helped the homeless.

    Can any of the Obama lovers explain exactly what he did as an organizer?
  13. iceberg

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    i'm trying to ask that w/o the offensive tone and so far no one is stepping up. i'm not fighting or arguing, i simply want facts and not overblown emotional hype.

    i don't care that's politics as normal. then admit obama does NOT have the experience but this is his only chance or simply help me understand what this vast experience is that makes him better than a new VP candidate on the block.
  14. JBond

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    Palin has ten times the experince of Obama. Only a blind leftist would see it any other way. That debate was settled last week.
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  15. iceberg

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    they seem to disagree. i'm giving those who feel otherwise an honest attempt (from me anyway) to simply tell me what this experience he has is.

    i don't care it's misplaced for now. i don't care they can talk about mccain falling over dead and lord look at the problem but what foul would it be to think that obama could be killed by a redneck racist and how dare we think that?

    i don't want harm to come to either but how low is it to say "hey, he could die then what?" is the fear that deep? the hope so faded?

    i'd love to hear an unbiased listing of his experience and how he outweighs someone who in reality shouldn't matter.

    so far i'd have to say he doesn't and it's a fools game to go there. yet his party does time and again and can't answer the question of his own experience, but we should fear what's 2nd cause something bad could happen to the first.

    fear factor was a bad tv show. i hate it's use in politics.

    still waiting.
  16. SultanOfSix

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    I don't know the candidates well enough to answer. I merely pointed out my opinion on what I saw the Obama campaign do. I'm rather cynical of the whole process as it stands right now, although I lean more towards Obama because I see McCain as another four years of Bush - which you may say is wrong - which I don't want.

    In these debates, I see a lot of - I forgot the technical term for it - but, it's the psychological state that manifests itself where one tends to be more critical of evidence that contradicts one's beliefs or opinions, and less critical of evidence that supports them.
  17. CanadianCowboysFan

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    is 2 years in the Senate worth more than 2 years as governor of a state with a population under 1 million. Being a mayor of a town with fewer people than live in my condo complex doesn't count if you ask me.

    In the end who cares, one is running for Pres, the other isn't so that is irrelevant.
  18. ScipioCowboy

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    My issue isn't with Obama. Palin's experience is fair game.

    My issue is with this article and its pervasive disingenuous. It's reminiscent of certain convention hacks who would have you believe that the other party is full of big meanies who attack without provocation while their party discusses only the issues.
  19. Doomsday101

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    Liberal media is now making Obama out as a victim? I was wondering when the victim card would be played.
  20. ScipioCowboy

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    You're an insightful man, Ice.

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