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lol skins fans...tusk tusk (john beck and steve young)

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by jblaze2004, Oct 19, 2011.

  1. jblaze2004

    jblaze2004 Well-Known Member

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    check out what they think of beck in redskin land. Talk about whoa.:laugh2:

    As if torn from the pages of Ripley's Believe it or Not

    John Beck shares more than just playing at BYU

    Physically both are identical in height and weight.

    Young 6 ' 2 215
    Beck 6 '2 215

    Both players had very successful

    Young's senior year he passed for 3,902 yards and 33 touchdowns in the regular season, and his 71.3% completion percentage set an NCAA single-season record

    Whereas

    Beck's senior year he passed for 3,885 yards 32 touchdowns in regular season and his completioin percentage was 69.3% with a QB rating of 116.3

    Steve Young

    School: Brigham Young
    Position: QB

    Career Passing: 592 Cmp, 908 Att, 7633 Yds, 56 TD
    Career Rushing: 269 Att, 1084 Yds, 4.0 Avg
    Consensus All-America: 1983
    Heisman Voting: 2nd in 1983

    Passing Glossary ▪ CSV ▪ PRE ▪ Statistics complete back to 2000
    Passing
    Year School Conf Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
    1981 Brigham Young WAC QB 56 112 50.0 731 6.5 5.4 5 5 110.6
    1982 Brigham Young WAC QB 230 367 62.7 3100 8.4 7.2 18 18 140.0
    1983 Brigham Young WAC QB 306 429 71.3 3802 8.9 9.4 33 10 166.5
    Career Brigham Young 592 908 65.2 7633 8.4 8.0 56 33 148.9

    John Beck

    Awards and honors
    2x Academic All-Mountain West (2003, 2005)
    Second-team All-Mountain West (2004)
    BYU Cougars MVP (2005)
    2x First-team All-Mountain West (2005–2006)
    Sporting News Mountain West Preseason Offensive Player of the Year (2006)
    Mountain West Conference Offensive Player of the Year (2006)
    Sporting News second-team All-American (2006)
    Davey O'Brien Award finalist (2006)
    Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award finalist (2006)


    School: Brigham Young
    Position: QB

    Career Passing: 885 Cmp, 1418 Att, 11021 Yds, 79 TD
    Career Rushing: 267 Att, 25 Yds, 0.1 Avg, 9 TD
    Career Defense: 0 Int, 0 Yds, 0 TD
    Career Scoring: 9 TD, 54 Pts

    Passing Glossary ▪ CSV ▪ PRE ▪ ▪ ▪ Statistics complete back to 2000
    Passing
    Year School Conf Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
    2003 Brigham Young MWC FR QB 73 145 50.3 864 6.0 5.1 5 5 104.9
    2004 Brigham Young MWC SO QB 192 343 56.0 2563 7.5 7.3 15 8 128.5
    2005 Brigham Young MWC JR QB 331 513 64.5 3709 7.2 7.1 27 13 137.6
    2006 Brigham Young MWC SR QB 289 417 69.3 3885 9.3 10.0 32 8 169.1
    Career Brigham Young 885 1418 62.4 11021 7.8 7.8 79 34 141.3

    Young took second in Heisman due to his prolific rushing stats, whereas Beck though mobile is not comparable to young as running QB. This difference may be the most significant difference and one that really counts, but in my opinion QB's are not drafted because they are good rushers, but good decision makers and have very good accuracy and make good decisions.

    A look at both QB's history shows both having played for terrible teams entering the NFL.

    Young drafted by Tampa Bay and Beck by Miami.

    Young as starter was 3–16. In his 19 games, he threw for only 11 touchdowns with 21 interceptions while completing fewer than 55% of his passes. Although his time in Tampa Bay was miserable, San Francisco 49ers coach Bill Walsh was impressed by Young's natural abilities and felt that his problems were due to the struggling Bucs organization.

    Beck as a starter went 0 -4



    G Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int Sck Rate

    Buffalo Bills 1 2 1 50.0 6 3.0 6 0 0 3 56.2 as backup
    Cincinnati 1 21 13 61.9 135 6.4 22 1 0 7 96.
    New York Jets 1 39 23 59.0 177 4.5 22 0 3 8 38.1
    Philadelphia 1 22 9 40.9 109 5.0 22 0 0 0 56.8
    Pittsburgh 1 23 14 60.9 132 5.7 21 0 0 5 76.7

    G Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int Sck Rate
    Season 5 107 60 56.1 559 5.2 22 1 3 10 62.0


    I'm not portending that Beck is the next Steve Young, but they do have similarities that are worth noting. Perhaps if he's really given the chance that Rex got in Chicago, or that Young
    got in SF he might prove to be much better than anyone would have imagined after such a poor start as a rookie.

    http://www.extremeskins.com/showthr...ck-vs-Steve-Young-closer-than-you-might-think!
  2. Hostile

    Hostile Peace Zone Supporter

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    I was very much wanting John Beck in that Draft as a backup behind Romo.

    I haven't changed my mind, but he's no Steve Young. Ty Detmer is more like it.
  3. SaltwaterServr

    SaltwaterServr Blank Paper Offends Me

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    That thread is just pathetic.
  4. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    They are both named John/Jon.
  5. ArmyCowboy

    ArmyCowboy New Member

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    And hope springs eternal.

    That fact that it's utterly delusional has no bearing, bless their little hearts. :)
  6. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I'd be surprised, to be quite honest, if he had a career even half as good as Steve Young had.
  7. ArmyCowboy

    ArmyCowboy New Member

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    I'd be surprised if he's the starter for the first game of the 2012 season.
  8. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I think a lot of that will depend on how well they finish this year and where they wind up drafting. If they wind up drafting high, where they could get a QB they wanted, I'm inclined to agree.

    If they don't then I could see them being stuck with him for another year.
  9. Dodger

    Dodger Indomitable

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    Eh...I saw both of them in college and had the "pleasure" of seeing Young rip the Lobos to shreads when BYU came to town. NM played with 2 linemen the entire game, and everyone else was defending the pass, yet he still threw, I think, 7 TD passes or something ridiculous like that. Lol.

    When I watched Young play, I could tell he had "it." I didn't get the same feeling watching Beck in college.

    JMO, though...
  10. Sonny#9

    Sonny#9 Well-Known Member

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    I would be ecsatic if the was the case! I think most Skins fans know what Rex and Beck are: cheap place holders for the eventual rookie next year...
  11. Sonny#9

    Sonny#9 Well-Known Member

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    The only way that happens is if the rook isn't ready yet. I'd much rather deal with Beck/Rex for a couple of games while Griffin/Barkley/Jones sits (I would be shocked if the Skins moved all the way up for Luck).
  12. ArmyCowboy

    ArmyCowboy New Member

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    Unless Beck really plays lights out, the Skins are going to draft a QB next season.
  13. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    They should draft one no matter how well or poorly Beck plays. Beck is 30 years old. May as well be prepared for the future even if Beck plays well.
  14. ArmyCowboy

    ArmyCowboy New Member

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    30 really isn't that old for a QB, honestly.

    If Beck convinces Shannahan that he's the "guy" then I doubt they draft a QB.

    The fact that he began the season backing up Grossman though tells me that he probably isn't.

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