Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by DEMARC0MURRAY29, Nov 29, 2013.
Yea I agree.
lol there was a time when I thought Fisher was a fantastic coach... Not so much anymore.
Bradford? Idk Ive never seen a more pan handed recieving corp than what he seems to have suffered through. Personally, I think he can get the job done.
They will need to redo his contract if they think he is the guy.
Oh he damn sure got paid. I think that contract is the last of that kind.
The Rams? Only if Bradford continues to improve on his good play early in the season. Otherwise they're a bunch of pretty good players on a bunch of 8-8-ish teams led by a Matt Bulger or Kellen Clemens. or Case Keenum or whoever.
The value of an elite quarterback over 12 years is worth more than all the players that the Rams have taken. We'll see if RGIII measures up. Even if he doesn't, it was worth the risk, compared to sitting around and trying to build behind all of the qbs that Washington has had in recent years.
Luck was worth the risk. RG3 was not. A classic Pocket Passer with very good movement skills and surprising speed was worth the risk. A Gimmick Type QB that MIGHT be able to transition to a pocket passer was not.
Oh, man. I disagree. It is not worth risking franchise suicide for one guy who may or may not pan out. That is crazy. Besides, we still don't even know who all the Rams are going to turn the rest of those picks into. What if THEY end up being the team to find the elite QB with one of Washington's picks?
Well, the draft, in it's entirety is a bunch of guys who may or may not pan out. And the Redskins gave up a ton, and the ROI is not looking too favorable right now, to say the least. But there are more QBs that struggle in their 2nd year than ones who don't. So we shall see.
But if the Redskins DO have that guy, it is worth it. If Griffin capitalizes on his immense talent--he has the intangibles to go with the physical gifts--it is worth everything they gave up. Just ask Green Bay right now.
Green Bay never gave up 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder. If it's worth that much, just draft a QB with every single one of them. One of them is bound to pan out, right? That's better than busting on one guy. You would never take something like that to Vegas. It's ludicrous.
You don't think the difference with Matt Flynn and Aaron Rodgers is worth that? With Rodgers they are a SB contender. With Flynn, they haven't won a game.
The difference between Matt Flynn and Aaron Rodgers on draft day is a crystal ball, and I don't think any scouting departments have any of those lying around. You are trying to make a hindsight argument, and that's where you're missing the point. You don't give up that many premium picks for something that isn't any more of a sure thing than taking some kid from Wisconsin in the 3rd round named Wilson.
If Griffin turns out to be what he can be, it's totally worth it. I didn't say anything about Rodgers or Flynn on draft day--I am not making any kind of hindsight argument. I am using a present day example. The difference between he Packers with an elite QB and a garbage QB is a HUGE difference. That difference is worth everything.
I get what you're saying, but my argument is that you don't take on that type of risk in the first place. Even if it ends up being worth it, it's a fluke.
It's like going all in with a pair of twos in Texas Hold 'Em. Sure, if you win the hand, you could say it was "worth it," but if you had put any kind of significant money into it, you're still an idiot.
So what you're saying is even if Griffin leads the Redskins to multiple Super Bowls and the picks we gave up turn into complete busts...it's still not worth it?
Well, right now those picks aren't all looking like busts, so I wouldn't even bring that into it, but go back and look at my poker analogy. If you win, you can say in hindsight that it was worth it, but it's still dumb luck. Not skill. Not smarts. Just dumb luck. The equivalent of dodging a bullet that you yourself pulled the trigger on.
You do not hamstring your franchise trading multiple picks for one of the biggest bust positions in the draft. With that being said I would mortgage a 1st this year and first next to move up but beyond that it is detrimental to your team especially if its is aging and has multiple needs.
To me, this year has shown that if you have a super-athletic QB that he has to be a top-notch pocket passer. They should use their ability to keep plays alive, but not tear off downfield. Newton seems to understand it, Kaep has been forced to understand it while RG3 continues to try and be a read-option QB. He won't be playing at 35 if WAS doesn't change their thought process.
I agree. I will say that both those guys have been in the league one full season longer than Griffin. It isn't much, but experience does matter. The biggest thing is Griffin didn't have an off season. He spent the whole time rehabbing when most QBs spend that time honing their trade. I think he will improve if he stays healthy. Of course I am hoping he doesn't.
That boneheaded trade they made to get RG3 looks dumber and dumber every week. They should've never gave up that much to get him, and it will never pay off. He's obviously not good enough to make up for the rest of the team's deficiencies, and all of the draft picks they gave up to get him will prevent them from adequately filling all those holes.