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Twitter: Machota: Romo changed play on 3rd and goal play; Dez didn't know

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. McLovin

    McLovin Well-Known Member

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    What is completely evident is that
    1) there were 10 men on the LOS.
    2) Def #4 followed Murray to Romo's right (Screen side) signalling man
    3) Romo never looked at Dez during the audible.
    4) Dez has a 83% TD/catch in goal to goal situations.

    No excuse he is not priority 1 on 3rd and goal at the 8 w/ 1-1 coverage - let alone not even getting a look
     
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  2. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Actually, in 2007, Barber only had 204 attempts. In 2008, he had 238, which is the most he's ever had as a Cowboy. In contrast, Tony had 520 attempts in 2007.

    In 2008, the percentage went to 58% pass/42% run and has progressed to the point where last year, we had 65% pass/35% run.

    Now, if you look at the Cowboys during Emmitt's time, at no point in his career with the Cowboys and even at the end when he slowed down, did he ever have as few as 238 carries. In fact, in 1990, his rookie year, he had 241. Be that as it may, the numbers for the Cowboys looked like this.

    In Emmitt's rookie year, 1990, the Cowboys passed the ball 55% of the time as opposed to 45% run. In subsequent years, the numbers look like this:
    1991 54% pass/46% run
    1992 48% pass/52% run
    1993 48% pass/52% run
    1994 44% pass/56% run
    1995 49% pass/51% run
    1996 48% pass/52% run
    1997 54% pass/48% run
    1998 48% pass/52% run
    1999 50% pass/50% run
    2000 47% pass/50% run
    2001 43% pass/57% run

    Only one time, since Romo has been the full time starter has the pass vs run ratio been as low as 54%, which is the highest Aikman and Emmitt ever had. That year was 2009, the year we went 11-5 and lost to the Vikings in the Divisional round.
     
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  3. 50cent

    50cent Well-Known Member

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    What's wrong with him being a physical runner, is it because he's not Bettis or Jacobs size? Yards left or not, he can be blamed for 13 chances one week after a week when he left yards too and was still on pace for a 100. He punishes defenders AT TIMES and leaves yards, so!! They remember those collisions, but he's never given a chance to bust one on carry 23, 24, 25, etc after punishing DBs and when they are more reluctant to stick their nose in there after banging with DM so much.

    If we want speed and shifty all of the time get lance but Murray likes contact and the physical style of it. The only thing he's lost are opportunities! The kid has never, literally never been given the ball to run more than 25 times in a game EVER! And they've won every game that he's had the ball 20+ times!

    There's proof that he needs to be more involved in the overall game plan with more rushes for us to succeed. Murray has the right to be upset with his lack of involvement. The Cowboys have a RB that's gets better with touches and the Cowboys are the closest they've been to replicating the Triplets, yet they're trending toward the Danny White era! Murray should never go a game with less than 30 touches in a game with 25 coming on the ground regardless of lost yards. Hell make up for those lost yards on carries 20+, if they'll ever consistently give it to him 20+! Proof is in the pudding.

    Romo needs Dez and Murray, not just WRs to win.
     
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  4. 50cent

    50cent Well-Known Member

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    My whole rant has been about passing on first down from the 5, which led to 3rd down. There is no excuse for the Cowboys consistently neglecting to give a RB a chance in goal to go situations within the 5 & it happens far too often. My issue is with 1st down first, 3rd down is a byproduct of out low football IQ on 1st down!
     
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  5. vlad

    vlad Well-Known Member

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    You certainly have to question everyone from JG to BC and Romo about that play. Romo should not escape blame, I just can't see a damn good reason to not throw it up 1-on-1...that's like a dream matchup. Not say its on him - they probably schemed for that all week and wanted to give a shot...but still.

    Its not like Richard Sherman over there...and you know what even if he was you have to take those chances to show our best can beat your best...you can't out-scheme everyone, otherwise go find a bunch of Beasleys and run your 5 yard routes til the cows come home.
     
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  6. Zman5

    Zman5 Well-Known Member

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    Way to conveniently leave out that in 2007 Barber shared his carries with Julius Jones who had 164 carries. And Julius was the starter. Barber had 238 carries as the backup.

    You pointing out that there were less runs in 2008 and on proves my point that it's JG who doesn't want to run since that's the year Sprano left.

    Emmitt was one of the best RBs in the history of NFL. Aikman and the coaching staff knew that and rode him just like Romo would. When a backup like Barber got that many carries I'm sure Romo will not hesitate to use a first ballot HOF who also happens to be the NFL all time rushing yard leader,
     
  7. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I didn't leave anything out. The percentages are based on total plays and total carries. Way to not actually check out the info presented to you. Also, 238 carries were Barber's totals for 2008, not 2007 in which Jones was the starter. In 2008, Barber started 13 of the 15 games he played in. Way to comprehend the information given to you.

    Romo has never come close to running a balanced offense and there is nothing to suggest he would. There is only your opinion, which is just that, opinion.

    Sorry, I don't buy it.
     
  8. superonyx

    superonyx Well-Known Member

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    Of course an audible was called. That isn't even being debated. The point I am making is that Romo didn't like what he was seeing and called an audible...ok now he has no way of knowing once he called an audible how the defense would align. Now try to follow me here...

    Romo and the rest of the country knows Dez has been getting enough attention that there was a good chance that the defense would leave 2 guys over to that side when Dallas shifted. This would have created a mismatch on the side where the screen went.

    Also while I agree about hot routes I don't agree that he would have enough time to audible first and then audible again to a hot route. Also once the screen audible is called and the team shifts to that formation how do we know that the playbook allows for a hot route fade pattern to Dez when the audible itself changed the formation and target.
     
  9. superonyx

    superonyx Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't questioning if the screen was an audible. What I am saying is that have no way of knowing if once he called the audible screen and the defense shifted to that side leaving Dez one on one if Romo had the time or ability to change the play back to Dez and from the screen formation they were then lined up in.
     
  10. Zman5

    Zman5 Well-Known Member

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    OK 204 vs 238. Big deal. Yeh Romo didn't use his running backs in 2007 when he handed his backup RB 204 times. Regardless the the total running plays to the running backs were as I posted. Yeh 44% rushing play is not using his running backs. If you want to ignore the stats, that's your choice .

    I don't give a rat's butt if you buy it or not. Fact of the matter is Romo did use his RBs who in 2007. It's when JG got his finger print all over the offense the run plays went down. To say Romo, who used RBs who were not even top tier, won't use one of the best RB in the history of NFL is laughable.
     
  11. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I think that at that time, Phillips was more of a believer in balance and as such, you see a bit better ratio but since that time, it's clearly gone by the boards. I see Romo audible to pass plays a lot more then to run plays. The numbers reflect that and as has been reported, he has much more input into the game plan. I see no evidence that Romo would ever consider a balanced offense or an offense that pronounced the run over the pass regardless of who that back might be.

    You consider Rat Butt then? Interesting.
     
  12. Zman5

    Zman5 Well-Known Member

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    He did in 2006 and 2007 then JG took over. If you can't comprehend that, I can see why you can't figure out what expression I was trying to use when I typed "rat's butt".
     
  13. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Whatever man. It's your opinion and there is no proof you can show that supports that. Trying Rat's Butt..... hummmm......

    You sound troubled. You should probably get some sleep.
     
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  14. Zman5

    Zman5 Well-Known Member

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    I'm fine. I don't need any sleep now. Thanks for thinking about me though.
    I've provided plenty of proof. Maybe solid stats aren't your thing. Or you just have hard time comprehending them. Maybe it's you who should get some sleep. I can see now why you keep typing "Rat's Butt".
     
  15. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye.

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    I sure hope the Cowboys figure out the correct ratio soon. I'm so tired of having this same discussion every year.

    It's like Groundhog Day up in here.
     
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  16. Ren

    Ren Well-Known Member

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    I sight adjustment takes literally a second it's just a quick hand signal, there was time
     
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  17. texbumthelife

    texbumthelife Well-Known Member

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    I gotta jump in here....

    As was already pointed out, when Romo called the audible the defense shifted and the man covering Murray shadowed him. This is a clear sign it is man-to-man. There wasn't even another player within 10 yards of Dez and Flowers. They were absolutely on an island. The fact of the matter is, Romo got tunnel visions and he completely castrated the offense because his grapes shrunk. He never even looked to Dez's side of the field. Not once. The blame for that play is 100% on Tony Romo.
     
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  18. superonyx

    superonyx Well-Known Member

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    I'm not talking about after the audible was called. I'm talking about before romo called the screen audible the coverage and offensive set was much different. Dez wasn't on an island with Flowers. The island was created from the defense shifting after the audible was called. At this point the play has already been changed so unless you know that Romo then has the option to keep everyone in the new screen play formation and only change the route Dez (who would now be a blocker and not going out for a pass) is to run then you can't say he blew it.

    Listen what it comes down to is this....People are blaming Romo for changing the play because they see Dez one on one with a DB. What is being ignored is that Dez was only one on one because the audible was called and the defense shifted. So unless you know that after the audible was called that Romo had the option to abandon the audible call that everyone shifted for and then keep the formation yet change the target and assignments of Dez, you can't say romo blew it.

    He didn't audible out of a play to Dez while Dez had single coverage on the outside.
     
  19. superonyx

    superonyx Well-Known Member

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    But how do you know after an audible he still has the option to make the change and basically change the play again. especially when Dez didn't even know what the audible Romo called was....Dez had his hands up asking what the play was. Our rookie WR knew yet Dez didn't and we are supposed to now blame Romo for not audibling with a quick hand signal to a guy that didn't even know what the play is?
    Sounds like a disaster in the making.
     
  20. Ren

    Ren Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like you're just looking to make excuses for golden boy he never even looked to Dez while changing the play, no hand signal no nothing so it's all on Romo no matter how you try and spinn it. Dez didn't know the play cause Romo got tunnel vision and didn't bother signaling Dez cause he wasn't part of the play
     
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