Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Wheat, Oct 10, 2008.
McCain's staking his presidential bid on the success of another surge. I personally think it's the wrong strategy but I suppose he has no other option at this point than to try to whip the rightwing into such a frenzy of hate that they come to the polls in droves.
John McCain 2008: honor, integrity, and valor.
I guess I just dont get it.
How is attacking someone's character bad?
How is attacking their decisions and judgments bad?
Considering that McCain is pretty much within the margin of error in even the most biased polls. I cant see how anyone could be thinking that "their guy is winning or won already"
Politics is a dirty business. Slinging is as popular and recommended in politics as it is in football.
You should ask Senator McCain. He's the one that forswore such tactics at the beginning of the process and promised to conduct an "honorable" campaign about the issues and specific policies.
I think it falls back to John's own words and things that have been done to him in the past.
By that I mean he said it would not be a dirty or negative campaign. But when Obama and his campaign could not come up with a deal for Town Hall meetings the idea was cancelled and later John would honestly say that he did not want to go dirty or negative (do not remember the exact phrasing) but he was forced to do so because Obama would not do the town hall meetings. Now I don't know, maybe it is just me, but that seems a pretty lame excuse of why he was forced to do it.
In the past McCain would denounce anyone using Obama's Middle name, and lets not play dumb we know why it is being used by some. Heck even recently there was a allusion by a speaker at one of the rallies about Obamas ties and someone yelled terrorist and whether the person heard it or not the speaker said...well his middle name IS Hussien. So it is pretty clear why people are using it in the fashion they are using it and it is not just to say his full name no matter how many on here act like it is. As my buddy Scipio likes to say to me...Intellectual honesty. But either way Mccain has denounced doing that.
However it is starting to pop up more and more at these rallies by people introducing McCain and or Palin. Now I have heard that McCain has denounced it afterwards in the press but I also have to believe they really don't mind it because I would imagine they would make it clear in no uncertain terms to the people doing the introductions NOT to say that or they are going to get in trouble...chances are these guys would not say it. That is just my opinion.
Now also in the past John has said he will not go into the Ayers connections. I think he has said it more than once.
However he is now switching gears and it seems like he is going to go with it now. I think he is only switching to it now because he must feel his campaign and chances are in trouble. He has been opposed to it all along but now just changes his mind.
Another thing. When some of his voters/supporters in the audience in the last few rallies start yelling out things like "Kill him", "Off with his Head", "traitor" and the new favorite "terrorist" when they are talking about Obama it is just going too far. It is bad enough to say traitor or terrorist. It is bad enough for the campaign to overtly question his patriotism. But the shouts of Kill him, off with his head and the like is just flat out overboard.
The problem with this is I have yet to see them stop their speeches and call out these individuals yelling these things. Now maybe they have but I have yet to see videos or even a report or story that they have done this. To the contrary I have read that they don't say anything and one article claimed they did not hear it. Sounds fishy to me. But I tell you this, they need to call these people out, tell them to stop with some of those things and have security remove them. I don't care if you can't stand a person's politics, I don't care if you are trying to win the election, I don't care if you don't like or trust someone you are running against...That stuff needs to stop and it needs to be stopped by McCain and Palin in these rallies and there is no excuse for it not to stop.
Now...it is one thing to talk about ties to groups or people. It is another to let those kinds of things fly. Again there is just no excuse for it. To let it go like that.
So I'm sorry, I think he has lost some of his intergrity by being against some things for a time only to now change his mind since it appears he is losing or the possibility of losing. He has lost some credibility when he uses Obama not doing the Town Hall meetings as an excuse of why he changed his no dirty/negative campaign pledge.
Like him or don't like him, agree with him or don't agree with him. It has started getting to a point where things are getting out of hand and it appears they are not willing to do anything about it. In some ways it seems they are actually stoking it whether it is directly or indirectly or even if that is not their intetions...because not stopping some of those things in their rallies is basically saying it is ok to the crowd.
I hope that explains why some see him in certain lights.
You make me feel so inadequate with my laconic responses. :
I think I have text envy.
It's not hate. It's the refusal to be taken in by a charlatan. A empty suit that has accomplished nothing of consequence in his life. It's about not buying into a phony that is the most under qualified person to ever run for President.
It's saying no to socialism and all it represents.
It's about saying no to a man that hangs out with a racist pastor.
It's saying no to a man that wants to eliminate our missile defense shield and gut our military even worse than Clinton did.
It's saying no to a man that traded millions of taxpayer dollars to a convicted felon in order to get a deal on his house.
It's saying no to a man that funded ACORN to the tune of $800,000 in order to commit country wide voter fraud.
It's saying no to a man that sued Citibank to force them to give loans to people who did not qualify leading to a financial disaster.
It's about who Barack Hussein Obama really is. Which is not much.
He only went to Harvard, was selected by his peers to run the Harvard Law Review, served as a state and US Senator, penned two best-selling books, defied the odds to beat one of the strongest political machines ever assembled, and is poised to become the first African American president in history. All this by someone who grew up under modest circumstances.
Yup, a charlatan who has accomplished nothing.
BP, Barack promised a lot of thing he would do in this election also. The biggest one is he would accept public funding. He lied to the American people and to John McCain. Now there is an investigation into his alleged illegal fundraising done over the Internet without any regulation or supervision.
Of course he has let the dogs off the chain, and their names are JBond and Angus : .
Because if it looks like a duck,walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,it's a chicken,right?
I appreciate your efforts.
Sadly,they are futile.
You'll have an easier time convincing a mother her kid is ugly than getting a liberal to open his/her eyes.
How did he get into Harvard? Who paved the way for him. We can go there if you want. Harvard does not impress me. I know a bunch of Libs that went there. What did he accomplish as a state senator? How is Illinios a better state thanks to direct actions by Barack?
He fed his massive ego by writting a couple of books. Wow! Impressive!
I don't care if he is black. Only racists are concerned about race.
Why don't you tell me why you are voting for him.
Of course not, a certain segment of the right disdains anything remotely associated with intellectualism.
An admiral's son getting into the Naval Academy is way more impressive than someone from humble origins breaking into the Ivy Leagues.
You and I know that the Obama candidacy its really "Trading Places" in real life.
To put the most corrupt,left wing marxist Chicago thug in the White House.
Sadly,there is no happy ending here.
He did not break into the Ivy League. he was admitted because certain well placed radicals wanted him there. I don't disdain higher education or intellectualism. In fact I went and got me some of that education stuff myself. Yes I did. In fact I was accepted at several of them fancy schools. I ended up attending Seton Hall University. They gave the biggest grant and I wanted to stay close to home because of the health of my mother. We were living in NJ at the time.
You still did not answer why you want to vote for Obama. You haven't listed anything he has done to be considered the leader of the free world let alone what he has accomplished as a community organizer, state senator or in congress. What has he done?
deflection and dodging of the question in 3..2..1...
I'm not voting for Obama.
And, by all means, oppose Obama all you want but you'd appear less fanatical and envious (nothing wrong with Seton Hall, mind you, but let's be honest: it's not really Princeton or even Rutgers) if you simply gave the man credit for his educational accomplishments.
So why are you defending the guy like he is your father? You don't have a dog in this fight. Do you just need attention?
I'm sure you were the first to defend Bush and his Ivy League MBA.
Because I prefer him to McCain/Palin obviously. Obama is slightly closer to the extreme left.