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McShay/Kiper 1st round mocks V.2 2/7/13....

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Risen Star, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    McShay

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...013-nfl-mock-draft-linemen-dominate-top-board

    1.. Kansas City - Star Lotulelei DT Utah
    2.. Jacksonville - Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.
    3.. Oakland - Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
    4.. Philadelphia - Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
    5.. Detroit - Dion Jordan DE Oregon
    6.. Cleveland - Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
    7.. Arizona - Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
    8.. Buffalo - Geno Smith QB West Virginia
    9.. N.Y. Jets - Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
    10. Tennessee - Chance Warmack G Alabama
    11. San Diego - Lane Johnson T Oklahoma
    12. Miami - Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
    13. Tampa Bay - Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
    14. Carolina - Sharrif Floyd* DT Florida
    15. New Orleans - Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU
    16. St. Louis - Cordarelle Patterson* WR Tennessee
    17. Pittsburgh - Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio St.

    18. Dallas - Sheldon Richardson* DT Missouri
    Richardson fills a top need and is a perfect fit as 3-technique in the 4-3 scheme of new defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin. He lacks ideal size and strength, but Richardson has elite first-step quickness, change-of-direction skills and range to penetrate and disrupt plays.

    19. N.Y. Giants - Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
    20. Chicago - Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
    21. Cincinnati - Eddie Lacy* RB Alabama
    22. St. Louis (Wash) - Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
    23. Minnesota - Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB Connecticut
    24. Indianapolis - Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St.
    25. Seattle - Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
    26. Green Bay - Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
    27. Houston - Keenan Allen* WR California
    28. Denver - Kawann Short DT Purdue
    29. New England - Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
    30. Atlanta - Zach Ertz* TE Stanford
    31. San Francisco - Justin Hunter* WR Tennessee
    32. Baltimore - Jesse Williams DT Alabama

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    Kiper

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...26/2013-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-second-mock-draft

    1.. Kansas City - Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
    2.. Jacksonville - Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
    3.. Oakland - Star Lotulelei DT Utah
    4.. Philadelphia - Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
    5.. Detroit - Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
    6.. Cleveland - Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.
    7.. Arizona - Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
    8.. Buffalo - Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
    9.. N.Y. Jets - Dion Jordan DE Oregon
    10. Tennessee - Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
    11. San Diego - Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
    12. Miami - Cordarelle Patterson* WR Tennessee
    13. Tampa Bay - Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
    14. Carolina - Sheldon Richardson* DT Missouri
    15. New Orleans - Sharrif Floyd* DT Florida
    16. St. Louis - Lane Johnson T Oklahoma
    17. Pittsburgh - Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU

    18. Dallas - Chance Warmack G Alabama
    Follow my Big Board week to week and you're probably surprised I could fathom a situation where Warmack is still around at No. 18. But remember, the mock also takes into account where I hear teams are valuing guys, and in the case of a player like Warmack, the positional value aspect hurts him as a guard. Make no mistake, he's a stud, a dominant guard who makes your offensive line better the second he signs his contract. But he's staying inside, period, limiting his shot at the top 10. Dallas could certainly use an upgrade at guard, and I don't think the Cowboys can pass up Warmack at this spot on the board if he's available.

    19. N.Y. Giants - Zach Ertz* TE Stanford
    20. Chicago - D.J. Fluker* T Alabama
    21. Cincinnati - Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
    22. St. Louis (Wash) - Keenan Allen* WR California
    23. Minnesota - Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
    24. Indianapolis - Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St.
    25. Seattle - Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
    26. Green Bay - Eddie Lacy* RB Alabama
    27. Houston - Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech
    28. Denver - Kawann Short DT Purdue
    29. New England - Matt Elam* S Florida
    30. Atlanta - Tyler Eifert* TE Notre Dame
    31. San Francisco - Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
    32. Baltimore - Kevin Minter* ILB LSU
  2. Rack Bauer

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    I'd be happy with either of those scenarios.


    Which means we'll end up taking a 3rd round rated safety most likely.
  3. rags747

    rags747 Well-Known Member

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    Like Kipers better, give me Warmack and run Murray right up his butt...
  4. ABQcowboyJR

    ABQcowboyJR Well-Known Member

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    No way we take warmack if vaccaro is still there IMO.
  5. Hoofbite

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    Julius Jones agrees with you and would be more than willing to run straight into his own lineman time and time again if that's what you are looking for.

    :D
  6. dart

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  7. DFWJC

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    x2.....
  8. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I agree but not because it's Vaccaro, per say. I think he would be a serious consideration here but the reason I think they would not take Warmack is because he projects to RG IMO. Also, he is a Guard. When's the last time Dallas took a Guard in the 1st round?

    It's only happened twice. Once in 1966 with John Niland (1st Rd, 5th pick overall, Iowa) and once in 1981 with Howard Richardson (1st Rd, 26th pick overall, Missouri).

    Now, Niland I'd have to say was a good pick, even if it was the 5th overall pick. Richardson, not so much. He started 18 games over 7 seasons.

    Can it happen? Yeah, it could, it's happened before but it's never happened while Jerry was here and I just don't see it happening now.
  9. LatinMind

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    mcshay is a moron. Damontre moore at 13 huh ? lol
  10. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    He never took a O lineman in the first before tyron either
  11. xwalker

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    Here they are sorted by average between the two.

    Red = Players on only 1 of the mocks. I assigned these players #33 for purposes of the average.

    Also, notice the diff column. The diff could be larger for the players that were assigned #33.

    (click twice to enlarge)

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  12. xwalker

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    The highest rated OG in 10+ years or a Safety that is not the consensus best player at his position in this draft.
  13. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    So do you believe that this strengthens the argument then? Under Jerry, we've only ever taken 1 OT in the 1st round and we've never taken a OG in the 1st round?

    To me, this only re-enforces my belief in the fact that we are probably not going to take a RG, which is what I see Warmack as.
  14. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Who is claiming, this year, that Warmack is the best OG prospect in 10 years? I thought that the best OG in 10 years was DeCastro last year?

    Also, I have not seen a consensus on who the best Safety is. However, I have seen different sources say that, right now (and I understand that this is before the combine) Vacarro is the highest rated Safety coming out. Is that true? I don't think so but I have seen it said.
  15. xwalker

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    Nobody rated DeCastro as the #3 player in the draft.

    The safety rankings are all over the map. Vacarro might have the most analysts ranking him as the top safety; however, it is not close to a consensus from what I've seen.
  16. the_h0wey

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    When exactly did Lacy's value jump up so high? I swear a month ago I was reading he would not go higher than the late 2nd...
  17. ABQCOWBOY

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    As a matter of fact, there were a lot of people who said that DeCastro was a top 5 player coming out but that is here nor there.

    I think the thing you can't account for is the quality of talent in each draft. For example, lets say that Barker is the top rated QB in this draft, would he have been in the top 5 last year? I don't know. You can't really use that as proof of how good Warmack is IMO because the talent levels from draft to draft is fluid. Again, I have not seen anybody say that Warmack is the highest rated OG in 10 years, which is why I made the comment originally.

    As far as Vacarro goes, I agree. I think that this is what I basically said in my earlier post.
  18. ABQcowboyJR

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    I know that everyone wants to just draft O-line with the first two pick, that doesn't mean that is what we are gonna do. DeCastro fell alot last year simply because of his position. IMO DeCastro is going to end up grading out higher than Warmack because of his lateral quickness. Vaccaro plays at a more highly coveted position, he will go before Warmack. Barron flew up the boards and was taken way before DeCastro. IMO DeCastro will grade out higher than Warmack and Vaccaro will grade out higher than Barron.

    If it were up to me I would take Cooper, even over Warmack.
  19. ABQCOWBOY

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    I like Vaccaro but I don't believe he will grade out better then Barron Son. I really liked Barron.

    I do agree on Cooper though. I think his upside is much better then Warmacks.

    Come home for Dinner one of these days.

    :)
  20. ABQcowboyJR

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    Well, i wasn't very high on Barron. Same problem I have with Reid.

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