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McShay top 32/Kiper big board 1/30/13....

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Risen Star, Jan 30, 2013.

  1. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    * - underclassman

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    McShay

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...aft-non-seniors-all-star-games-shuffled-board

    1. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
    2. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
    3. Chance Warmack G Alabama
    4. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
    5. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan

    6. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
    7. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
    8. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
    9. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
    10. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.

    11. Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
    12. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
    13. Shariff Floyd* DT Florida
    14. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
    15. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina

    16. Lane Johnson T Oklahoma
    17. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
    18. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
    19. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
    20. Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB Connecticut

    21. Geno Smith QB West Virginia
    22. Kawann Short DT Purdue
    23. Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU
    24. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
    25. Cordarelle Patterson* WR Tennessee

    26. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
    27. Keenan Allen* WR California
    28. Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St.
    29. Kyle Long G Oregon
    30. Kevin Minter* ILB LSU
    31. Zach Ertz* TE Stanford
    32. Justin Hunter* WR Tennessee

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    Kiper

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...-board-adds-sylvester-williams-north-carolina

    1. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
    2. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
    3. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
    4. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
    5. Chance Warmack G Alabama

    6. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
    7. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.
    8. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
    9. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
    10. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina

    11. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
    12. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
    13. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
    14. Lane Johnson T Oklahoma
    15. Cordarelle Patterson* WR Tennessee

    16. Shariff Floyd* DT Florida
    17. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
    18. Tyler Eifert* TE Notre Dame
    19. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
    20. Zach Ertz* TE Stanford

    21. Kevin Minter* ILB LSU
    22. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
    23. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
    24. Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU
    25. Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
  2. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Kyle Long at #28?

    I think he ends up in the 3rd round or later. He is projected to OG only now, with his short arm measurement. At 6-6, 304 he is very thin as an NFL Guard.
  3. RS12

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    That is huge jump though the scouts thought well of him at the SB. Wonder if a good cover CB fell, maybe Carr gets moved to safey.
  4. GloryDaysRBack

    GloryDaysRBack Well-Known Member

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    Richardson vs Floyd is the argument for the next 3 months
  5. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Only as a plan B or plan C, IMO. It would only happen if they fail to come out of training camp with some decent options at Safety.

    I think it's more likely that Sterling Moore takes snaps at Safety than Carr; however, I'm just pulling that opinion out of my backside. I have nothing to back it up.

    They might even have Orlando Scandrick take some snaps at Safety. With his contract, I would expect them to want him on the field as much as possible. I know that he made a statement that he is not a Safety, but I'm not really certain about the context of that comment. Also, they wouldn't be taking him out of his slot-CB role.

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  6. CowboysYanksLakers

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    Ansah would be a steal by trading down a few slots especially if they can't come to terms with Spencer in free agency...
  7. xwalker

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    I'm waiting for more info on Richardson's character issues. It's been widely reported that he has issues, but I don't know the specific details.

    The best I can gather, Richardson has a DeAngelo Hall or Randy Moss type of personality.

    Either way, it's doubtful that the Cowboys draft him. If it turns out that he does not really have issues, then he will be picked before #18, IMO. If he does have legit issues, then the Cowboys won't draft him.

    I'm also interested to hear more about Kawann Short's work-ethic issues.
  8. GloryDaysRBack

    GloryDaysRBack Well-Known Member

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    I'm losing hope that Floyd will be available At 18..hell go before Richardson. :(
  9. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Throw John Hankins in there as well. Don't understand how his stock has dropped so much in the past 2 weeks or so. He would be a great value at 18 if you ask me.
  10. RS12

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    dont see Long before round 3 either
  11. IAmLegend

    IAmLegend Well-Known Member

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    Will never happen. We'dll be lucky if he's there at 18. If he were and we passed on him, the Giants would jump all over him in a heartbeat. The Bengals too.
  12. IAmLegend

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    That's enough for me to say no thanks. Don't need another a guy with character issues and/or a poor attitude. Especially not in the 1st round.
  13. kirkjrk

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    And Short!!!
  14. CowboyChris

    CowboyChris Well-Known Member

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    dont forget Warmack and Cooper
  15. The Realist

    The Realist Active Member

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    IMO the top 5-10 is pretty weak this year compared to most. Top 15 even.

    I like (not love where we are).

    If I was forced to make a decison right now I would go Floyd or Short at 18 if who we think will be there are there.
  16. Macnalty

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    Count me in as what film appeared to raise the value of guard Kyle Long. I had him down as third rd.

    Lane Johnson is now floating beyond our pick in both estimations.

    The CB from Conn Blidi Wreh-Wilson is good still needs some work wonder what film cam out on his play

    Hankins big drop wonder if they finally got around to watching all his film.
  17. ABQcowboyJR

    ABQcowboyJR Well-Known Member

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    I think Hankins slides for no other reason than other guys are trending. I liked Hankins a lot when we were running a 34. I am just not sure he is active/quick enough for our 43.
  18. Boys122

    Boys122 Well-Known Member

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    Someone is gonna gamble and take an QB. It's possible at least two QB's could be taken in the first. No disrespect to Kiper especially but there are teams who will gamble on taken a QB in round one. I think it's two.
  19. Risen Star

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    These boards aren't mock drafts. Just a ranking of their best players.

    You always have to consider QB reaches.

    And let's be honest. I've followed the draft religiously since the early 90's. Not one time has the actual draft taken place as I expected it. There are always surprise picks that upset the apple cart. Always players still there in the 3rd and 4th rounds that I was sure would be gone by the end of round 2.

    We're not privy to the information the teams have. We don't talk to the players. We don't get feedback from their inner circle. We aren't looking at medicals.

    Nobody has this figured out. Not even the teams. It's what makes it the greatest sporting event on the planet, IMO.
  20. visionary

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    i agree that at least 1-2 teams will take QBs in the top 15
    as RS said, this is not a draft projection but value projection

    what these 2 things mean is that if a couple of QBs go in the top 15, we could have some very very good choices (for OL and DL) sitting for us at 18 or even in mid 20's after a trade-back

    my gut right now is that we take DL in 1 and OL in 2

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