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McShay top 32/Kiper big board 12/5/12....

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Risen Star, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    * - underclassman

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    McShay

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...aft-notre-dame-te-tyler-eifert-cracked-top-32

    1. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
    2. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
    3. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
    4. Chance Warmack G Alabama
    5. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame

    6. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
    7. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
    8. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
    9. Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
    10. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.

    11. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
    12. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
    13. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
    14. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
    15. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan

    16. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
    17. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
    18. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
    19. Corey Lemonier* DE Auburn
    20. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan

    21. Ezekiel Ansah* DE BYU
    22. Geno Smith QB West Virginia
    23. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
    24. Justin Hunter* WR Tennessee
    25. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida St.

    26. Kawann Short DT Purdue
    27. Matt Barkley QB USC
    28. Keenan Allen* WR California
    29. Dallas Thomas T Tennessee
    30. Zach Ertz* TE Stanford
    31. Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St.
    32. Tyler Eifert* TE Notre Dame

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    Kiper

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...l-draft-jarvis-jones-holds-top-spot-big-board

    1. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
    2. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
    3. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
    4. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
    5. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M

    6. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
    7. Chance Warmack G Alabama
    8. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.
    9. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
    10. Anthony Barr* OLB UCLA

    11. Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee
    12. Sheldon Richardson* DT Missouri
    13. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
    14. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
    15. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina

    16. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
    17. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
    18. Tyler Eifert* TE Notre Dame
    19. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
    20. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas

    21. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
    22. Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers
    23. Shariff Floyd* DT Florida
    24. Matt Barkley QB USC
    25. Geno Smith QB West Virginia
  2. robert70x7

    robert70x7 Active Member

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    Compilation
    1. Jarvis Jones
    2. Star Lotulelei
    3. Damontre Moore (4)
    4. Manti Te'o
    5. Chance Warmack
    6. Luke Joeckel (7)
    7. Barkevious Mingo
    8. Bjoern Werner
    9. Johnathan Hankins
    10. Jonathan Cooper
    11. Dee Milliner (12)
    12. Alec Ogletree
    13. Taylor Lewan
    14. John Jenkins
    15. Sylvester Williams (18)
    16. Sheldon Richardson (17)
    17. Eric Fisher (24)
    18. Sam Montgomery (17)
    19. Kenny Vaccaro (20)
    20. Dion Jordan (19)
    21. Cordarrelle Patterson (22)
    22. Anthony Barr (25)
    23. Corey Lemonier (26)
    24. Geno Smith (14)
    25. Ezekiel Ansah (31)
    26. Tyler Eifert (27)
    27. Matt Barkley (22)
    28. Justin Hunter
    29. Tank Carradine (21)
    30. Khaseem Greene (31)
    31. Kawaan Short (33)
    32. Shariff Floyd (33)
    33. Keenan Allen (29)
    34. Dallas Thomas
    35. Zach Ertz
    36. Johnathan Banks
    Dropped - Robert Woods

    Biggest Risers - Eric Fisher, Ezekiel Ansah, Sylvester Williams, Corey Lemonier, Anthony Barr

    Biggest Falls - Geno Smith, Tank Carradine, Matt Barkley, Keenan Allen
  3. RS12

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    Since Jerry wants to be just like the Giants, I have a feeling about Ansah, I think they will see a JPP type.
  4. robert70x7

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    If we're at 18, here's what I would want (based on my board):
    1. Dion Jordan
    2. Ezekiel Ansah
    3. Corey Lemonier
    4. Kawaan Short
    5. Kenny Vaccaro
  5. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Jerry can say whatever he want about drafting offense, and I know all they need on offense, but to win in this division consistently they need athletes on defense. All your guys make sense, I'd add Richardson.
  6. robert70x7

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    Richardson is a knucklehead. I'm just going on slot value, I would love Fisher, but I think he continues to shoot up draft boards. If Warmack falls to us, he's a no-brainer in my opinion.
  7. ABQcowboyJR

    ABQcowboyJR Well-Known Member

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    Richardson might be a knucklehead but he appears to have real talent. Right now it looks like he would be a great pick for us. You just really don't want him turning out like Fairley.
  8. robert70x7

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    The reason I had Short on there was because of his size, and I could see him being a 3-4 NT for us because I'm not a Ratliff fan.

    Richardson is a beast. He's superior to Short in almost every aspect, minus size. The Cowboys just don't draft players like Richardson since Garrett has been coach. Based on his profile, I would consider him to be almost undraftable for the Cowboys.
  9. ABQcowboyJR

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    Yeah there are some questions about him. I would really hate to see us pass on him if he fell to us though. A lot will come out about him once the offseason comes and combine time.
  10. xwalker

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    Of the available players in the combined list, I like:


    21 Cordarrelle Patterson (22)
    Wow player with big upside but limited experience.
    22 Anthony Barr (25)
    Another Wow player with big upside but limited experience.
    34 Dallas Thomas
    Underrated player, IMO. Can play OT or OG. Very quick feet and good size.
    25 Ezekiel Ansah (31)
    Intriguing player with high upside. Although compared to JPP, I envision him adding weight and playing a JJWatt style of 3-4 DE. Ansah looks better on inside rushes than trying to "bend-the-corner" on the outside.
    18 Sam Montgomery (17)
    Solid player. Safe pick compared to some others. Good against the run and as a pass rusher. Upside might be limited.

    19 Kenny Vaccaro (20)
    I don't see a drastic difference in the top 3 or 4 safeties. I would not make this pick at #18.
    23 Corey Lemonier (26)
    Solid player but athleticism is a step below some of the other 3-4 OLB types.
    29 Tank Carradine (21)
    Injury should push him down the board.
    32 Shariff Floyd (33)
    I see him as a early 2nd rounder.
    31 Kawaan Short (33)
    Good ability but work ethic is a big red flag. I'll pass.
  11. robert70x7

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    I agree with that about Ansah playing the role of a 3-4 DE. When I originally heard about him, I thought people saw him as more of a tweener. I was shocked how often BYU plugged him in at DT, he's very versatile.

    I really like Dion Jordan. His athleticism is off the charts.
  12. xwalker

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    Yes, Dion Jordon is one of my favorite players to watch. He is a highlight reel of the advantages of length (height, long arms).

    My concern on Jordon in projecting him to the NFL is his thin build. I can't really remember any successful NFL players with that type of build. I might just be overly worried about the similarity to Manny Lawson.
  13. RS12

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    Showing my age but Ted Hendricks.
  14. robert70x7

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    What first popped into my head were Aldon Smith and JPP, but they were much bulkier than Jordan when they came out. Looking at his frame, I believe that he'd be able to put on another 15 pounds.

    The Manny Lawson comparison is interesting.
  15. xwalker

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    I have a vague memory of him playing for the Raiders. Maybe early eighties.
  16. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    The only person we should pick in the First Rd if not an O lineman should be a real top pass rusher. Nothing else
  17. ABQcowboyJR

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    I agree, I really like Dion Jordon and Sheldon Richardson in the first. I fear a Austin kind of pick though. Imagine Austin to replace Austin.....
  18. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Funny you should mention that. Lande in an earlier column or tweet said he has heard scouts talking about him top 10. The good news is that if that happens the decision would be taken out of Jerry's hands. The bad news is that if he is still there, well we all know Jerry loves his shiny objects that sell gear.

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