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Mike Fisher Speculation: Believes the team is going to 4-3

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by LatinMind, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Really? You guys both actually think this? Crazy how much differently we see this team.
  2. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Ware is breaking down? LOL this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard.

    The guy had a injury yr. Last time i checked players do have injuries.

    2008 20 sacks
    2009 11 sacks
    2010 15.5 sacks
    2011 19.5 sacks

    Does that look like a player thats breaking down?
  3. DOUBLE WING

    DOUBLE WING Well-Known Member

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    The neck problems aren't exactly anything new and he's going to be 31 next season. He's not getting any younger.
  4. Wood

    Wood Well-Known Member

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    Lee isn't good fit at ILB...he would need to go outside.
  5. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    OK but has that stopped his production at any point? NO. It was the injury to his arm that had him on the Victor Butler level.

    With Players like Lee, Carter Claiborne, Carr he doesnt have to anchor the defense. He just has to be Ware. The guy that gets between 15-20 sacks a yr. Now im not saying that Dallas shouldnt start drafting to get younger. I agree with you there, but to say Ware cant anchor the defense if they need him to because he's breaking down is just completely ridiculous.
  6. DOUBLE WING

    DOUBLE WING Well-Known Member

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    It certainly slowed him down this year. As he ages, I would logically expect that to continue.
  7. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Why not? he plays inside now. Youre trying to tell me Lee cant cover ground or play a two gap Mike role? Really? Lee or Carter both can play any LBer spot in a 4-3

    WLB cover Lber spot basically. Both have shown they can cover really good.
    SLB Lee and Carter both are great vs the run. Carter showed he's a monster vs the run this yr.
    ILB the cover so much ground its ridiculous. Carter specifically on the play vs the falcons started in 1 gap slide down took on a block and then laid the boom on the rb. And Lee's countless run stuffs and ground he covers.

    Lee Carter and Sims would be a awsome Lber core
  8. dreghorn2

    dreghorn2 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with Wood here, however both he and Carter might be excellent 4-3 OLBs (given they learn the positioning easily etc.. etc..).

    Probably Carter on the strong side, Lee on the weak, just a guess.

    The 2013 Robert Jones (Robert moved inside after Norton left i think) and Dixon Edwards.

    Finding a proper 4-3 MLB would then be a top priority, along with DL, OL, S, yada yada.
  9. cowboyschmps3

    cowboyschmps3 Well-Known Member

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    Carter Lee Sims
  10. Shinywalrus

    Shinywalrus Active Member

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    I don't see this at all.

    Your best lineup without any additions today would probably be the following, although I don't like it and don't think we'd end up here:

    SLB: Lee
    MLB: Carter
    WLB: Sims

    I say that only because I don't feel like we have a true SLB on the roster. You could convince yourself that the transition from a 34 ILB position wouldn't be that difficult, but Sean has become not more effective because he's gotten better shedding the kind of pulling guard and fullback blocks he'd see again at SLB but because he has gotten much better at moving and accelerating through traffic and avoiding blocks. In other words, Lee could play SLB, but I think his best position is MLB. I'm not sure what skill you think he lacks to play that position. He has the speed and agility, has the leadership experience, has become slightly above average in coverage. Sean Lee is not a thumper who won't be able to make that transition.

    Bruce Carter could play all three positions because of his physical characteristics, but his most natural position just because of his athleticism, in most schemes would be the Will.

    I'd rather play Bruce and Sean out of optimal position and throw in Sims at WLB than put Bruce at WLB, Sean at MLB and ??? at SLB. You could argue that Butler or Albright might be capable of making the transition to the SAM, but the best case scenario in my mind?

    WLB: Bruce Carter
    MLB: Sean Lee
    SLB: Chase Thomas (2nd or 3rd rounder from Stanford)

    Much as I think shedding Rob was a mistake, I'd be positively giddy with the front 7 if Lovie came in and we fielded:

    SLB: Chase Thomas
    LDE: Spencer
    LDT: Hatcher
    MLB: Lee
    RDT: Ratliff
    RDE: Ware
    WLB: Carter

    Alternatively you could go beefier at LDE with a slimmed down Hatcher/Crawford and sign Melton to fill the other tackle spot.
  11. ThePlaymaker14

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    If we switch to a 4-3 I think that means Spencer is gone. Regardless, if we keep him I'd rather see us pick up dlinemen as opposed to a LB first.
  12. reddyuta

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    they are two things wrong with our 3-4 right now and they can both be fixed.Our d-line is not pushing the pocket and our secondary (especially the safeties) have not their job.
  13. Oh_Canada

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    I'm not thrilled at the prospect of moving to a 4-3, however I wouldn't sleep on Kyle Wilber as the SLB with Carter moving to the weakside.
  14. wick

    wick Active Member

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    With Carter's coverage abilities, he'd be a natural fit on the strong side.
  15. dmq

    dmq If I'm so pretty, why am I available?

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    Gotta be the only team stupid enough to try to run the 3-4 without a space eating clog in the middle and we wonder why it didn't work.
  16. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    IMHO, the 4-3 is about to cycle back into as the preferred defense in the NFL.


    A lot of teams are going to start mimmicking what the Redskins did with the Chris Ault/pistol concepts, because it helps solve the age old riddle of "How do you compete in the NFL when you don't have an Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning for a QB?" Buffalo's new coach is already talking about it. Browns were going to pay Chip Kelly a ton of money to bring it to them.

    The 4-3 defense and getting as many fast LBs and DEs on the field as possible to defend the perimeter and protect the edge is going to be the counter adjustment that defensive coordinators make.
  17. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Lee is a natural 4-3 middle linebacker, ala Zach Thomas, and that's precisely what he played at Penn State.
  18. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Yep, that's what he played at UNC.

    Assuming we let Spencer walk .....

    RDE - Ware
    1 Tech - ??/Lissemore
    3 Tech - Ratliff/Crawford
    LDE - Hatcher/??

    SOLB - Carter
    ILB - Lee
    WOLB - Wilber/???
  19. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    You shouldn't waste any time worrying about Spears, because he won't be on the team next year. His cap hit is $3 million and he has degenerative knees.
  20. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    His injuries this year were a busted elbow and dislocated shoulder (probably from overcompensating for the busted elbow), not neck.

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