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My nightmare is Jerry getting caught up in a trade and this happening

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Macnalty, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    " For every potential threat, one out of 10 men in the agency assigned to the case needs to take it seriously, no matter how far-fetched it may seem". World War Z


    Round 1 Pick 1 (1) Texans:
    Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
    Round 1 Pick 2 (2) Rams: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
    Round 1 Pick 3 (3) Jaguars: Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
    Round 1 Pick 4 (4) Browns: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
    Round 1 Pick 5 (5) Raiders: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
    Round 1 Pick 6 (6) Falcons: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
    Round 1 Pick 7 (7) Buccaneers: Dee Ford, DE, Auburn
    Round 1 Pick 8 (8) Vikings: Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
    Round 1 Pick 9 (9) Bills: Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
    Round 1 Pick 10 (10) Lions: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
    Round 1 Pick 11 (11) Titans: Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
    Round 1 Pick 12 (12) Giants: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
    Round 1 Pick 13 (13) Rams: Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama
    Round 1 Pick 14 (14) Bears: Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
    Round 1 Pick 15 (15) Steelers: Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California
    Round 1 Pick 16 (16) (DAL) Chargers: Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
    Round 1 Pick 17 (17) Ravens: Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
    Round 1 Pick 18 (18) Jets: David Yankey, OG, Stanford
    Round 1 Pick 19 (19) (MIA) Packers: C.J. Mosley, OLB, Alabama
    Round 1 Pick 20 (20) Cardinals: Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
    Round 1 Pick 21 (21) (G.B.) Dolphins: Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia
    Round 1 Pick 22 (22) Eagles: Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
    Round 1 Pick 23 (23) Chiefs: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
    Round 1 Pick 24 (24) Bengals: Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
    Round 1 Pick 25 (25) (S.D.) 49ers: Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
    Round 1 Pick 26 (26) Browns: Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
    Round 1 Pick 27 (27) (N.O.) Texans: Jimmie Ward, SS, Northern Illinois
    Round 1 Pick 28 (28) Panthers: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
    Round 1 Pick 29 (29) Patriots: Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
    Round 1 Pick 30 (30) (S.F.) Browns: Odell Beckham, WR, LSU

    Donald goes to NE and just like last year our first line of strategy for the draft is gone, who do we take with 31 to rescue and redirect this draft with an additional 2nd rd pick?

    Number at end is predicted day of pick
    Allen RobinsonJrPenn StateWR 2
    Austin Seferian-JenkinsJrWashingtonTE 2
    Bradley RobyrJrOhio StateCB 1
    Brandin CooksJrOregon StateWR 2
    Darqueze DennardSrMichigan StateCB 1
    Derek CarrrSrFresno StateQB 1
    Dominique EasleySrFloridaDT 2
    Ed ReynoldsrJrStanfordFS 2
    Gabe Jackson rSrMississippi StateOG 2
    Jace AmaroJrTexas TechTE 1
    Jackson JeffcoatSrTexasDE 2
    Ka'Deem CareyJrArizonaRB2
    Kyle Van NoyrSrBrigham YoungOLB2
    Lamarcus JoynerSrFlorida StateCB2
    Marcus RobersonJrFloridaCB2
    Ra'Shede HagemanrSrMinnesotaDT1
    Ryan ShazierJrOhio StateOLB1
    Scott CrichtonrJrOregon StateDE2
    Stephon TuittJrNotre DameDE2
    Timmy JerniganJrFlorida StateDT1
    Travis SwansonrSrArkansasC2
    Tre MasonJrAuburnRB2
    Trent MurphyrSrStanfordDE2
    Trevor ReillyrSrUtahOLB2
    Weston RichburgrSrColorado StateC2​

  2. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    Well, with this being what many think is the deepest, highest quality drafts in years, I wouldn't be against dropping down that far and picking up an extra second. So I don't think it's quite the nightmare you envision, depending on what we do with the pick. Getting Fred and TW last year turned out well, so I would think we should be able to do just as well this year. At the end of 1, I would actually go with a guy not on your list, and that's Garrapolo. Really like that kid, and just don't know what to expect from Romo with his back situation. With the two seconds, I'd like to see us get Crichton and either Jackson or one of Cooks/Robinson.

    I know we need DT, but I think we can still get a really good one in 3 or 4. Don't see one I'd really want out of your list of second rounders.
  3. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Um, if Dallas passes on Barr at 16, we need to go occupy VR immediately.
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  4. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    Do you think Barr helps us more than Donald on defense in 2014/2015? Or do you think Barr is more of a talent than Donald and hence BPA? My feeling is Hatcher is gone and we are in deep mud without him, Donald gets us unstuck with the lose of Hatcher and frees us with choice(bpa) on the 2nd/3rd picks. I was always a BPA kind of guy but Stephen and his salary cap are so out of control it is affecting the draft, I do not want to start a bash on management just realize this could happen.
  5. Questfor6

    Questfor6 Well-Known Member

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    If he and Donald are there he by far is the BPA, I like Donald but he's been put up on a pedestal way to high around here.
  6. unionjack8

    unionjack8 Well-Known Member

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    How did we get to 31?
  7. JDSTAR

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    I'd take Gabe Jackson and go defense with your extra picks
  8. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    Nightmare with Jerry trading is how we got to 31 with some extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd round.
  9. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    I agree best Olineman available. Not so sure BPA.
  10. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    I'm confused.....so your fear is that Jerry would trade back twice? That seems like a pretty irrational thing to be afraid of.
  11. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    No I understand the trading it is just that Donald is gone because of the trade. the question is how do we salvage and redirect after this fails. Maybe you do not think Donald is the key to this draft for the boys and if that is the case tell me another scenario that lessens the blow of Hatcher leaving.
  12. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Barr is most likely a higher rated player than Donald. Always take the higher rated player. It's not as if DE is not a huge need.

    Also, DEs get paid more than DTs. Even if Donald and Barr have the exact same rating by the Cowboys, DE is more of a premium position, just look at the franchise tag numbers for DEs vs DTs. It is 13.1M for DE and 9.6M for DT.
  13. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    It's a very deep draft. There are plenty of scenarios where a trade back would work out fine. I like Donald and would be happy with him at 16, but there are plenty of scenarios of a very good draft happening without Donald. Trading back 5-7 spots and picking up Hageman and an extra 3rd is one of them. Hageman, Jimmie Ward, Marcus Smith, Brandon Thomas would be a pretty amazing 1st 3 rounds if you ask me. And that's just 1 of hundreds of scenarios. Doesnt make sense to marry yourself to 1 player in such a deep and talented draft, especially when your team has as many holes as the Cowboys.
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  14. texbumthelife

    texbumthelife Well-Known Member

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    That would make this a nightmare indeed. A project QB who won't even have a shot at starting for 2-3 years with our first pick. That would be absolutely horrible.
  15. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    Well, I may really be reaching with Garrapolo, and if so, okay. As far as whether he won't be out starter for 2-3 years, well, you could say that about most QB's coming in (2012 draft notwithstanding). If it takes a couple of years, but we get the guy we need, so what? None of the QB's coming out this year are sure fire hits. They might be better than last year's, but they're not on the level with Luck, RGIII and RW either. So maybe we wait till next year, or the year after. No guarantee there will be any sure hits then, or we'll be in a position to get one. It's gonna take 2-3 years of rebuilding and getting past the bad contracts and dead money anyway. I'd rather have somebody ready to go, as opposed to waiting until Romo is done completely before we address the situation.
  16. LatinMind

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    What if Dallas signs Melton?
  17. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    Oh what a nice thought.
    It is clear we have some different thoughts on how the draft should fall for the boys, I personally am not wild about Hegeman mostly because of the boom or bust label he seems to be wearing. I had hoped he would time out a little faster and possibly have more position versatility, I do agree with RS about Barr if he is there at position 16 we run to the podium smiling like a crocodile. Nice to see all the different opinions if Donald is gone.
  18. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Its been reported that the Cowboys are split on Donald. And from what theyve said it seems like the higher ups in the organization arent sold on Donald. Comments like Stephen and Jerry about not passing up on a better OL to reach for a player have me thinking this team might be looking to improve a up and coming OL for years to come. That and Romo's back, Id assume they'd want to protect him as best they could. A guy like Zack Martin would be perfect. Start him as a rookie at RG or RT, doesnt make a difference.

    There are some young DTs in FA who could be gotten for reasonable contracts.

    Henry Melton
    Linval Joseph
    Clinton Mcdonald
    Tony McDaniel

    Then there are options later in the draft.

    Dominique Easley
    Kelcy Quarles
    Will Sutton
    Caraun Reid
    Ed Stinson
    Brent Urban
    Ben Gardner

    Then there is something else that Jerry said at the combine that got me thinking maybe this team is looking to improve faster with some Young established vets on DEF on rather then more young rookies. "The window is closing on Romo and some of our older players". It's good he knows Romo isnt going to be around much longer.

    IMO

    FA will bring some defense, so guys who have exp in this defensive scheme and wont need that learning curve a rookie would learning this defense.

    2 names come to mind for me

    Henry Melton, would be the smartest and best choice for the DL. He is a product of Marinelli. He developed Melton and knows everything about him.
    Charles Tillman, A guy whos days as a Cb are probably done, but could have value for Marinelli as a FS. Knows the system and has the range. 33 so he wouldnt be an expensive guy. Stop gap while Wilcox or Heath can prove themselves.
  19. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    Your biggest nightmare is picking up an extra 2nd in the deepest draft in years? Are you kidding me? One DLineman is not going to fix our problems.
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  20. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    Make no mistake I want to trade back and gather an additional second/third, I must of worded this incorrectly, the regret is that we trade back past the player we wanted i.e. Donald and are left with players that would augment his talent rather than stand on their own. I do agree with the talent pool in the second being strong, but the 3 tech that we missed out on last year with Richardson(went to Jets) and this year Donald if this nightmare happens drags our recovery out which I think most would agree would be a bad dream.
    I am agreement about taking a developmental QB such as Murray, McCarron,Fales, Shaw, and B.Smith somewhere in the 4th rd and in the fifth maybe a RB.

    The recovery process IMO revolves around Donald and if we are able to sign a significant talent in FA. The discussion of Easley, Sutton, and some of the others are only relevant if we have a viable 3 tech. If we drop Demarcus Ware(I think we should) this defense is going to be an old dog with very little to fear without an injection of youth on that DLine. I am quite sure we will not be keeping the offensive coordinators up this fall no matter how we draft in 2014 but lets make sure they turn into zombies the next year and that means getting a proper pass rush developed with a good DLine solid base. I think we should hope to get three starters out of this draft and if we do not we better pray that Crawfords achilles heel recovers like no other and that Matt Johnson (you remember him FS) has the football prowess of Sean Lee and the durability of Tyron Smith

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