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Nate Newton Speaks

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by TwoDeep3, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    Yes, they had the 'mindset of a champion' and by osmosis it sunk into their player's brains as well. And they were so excellent against those pesky things called the salary cap and finding players with the 'mindset of a champion' like Charles Rogers and Kwame Brown. Let's not forget the great job as coaches that the greats have done like Magic Johnson, Pete Rose and Ted Williams.





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  2. VACowboy

    VACowboy Well-Known Member

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    Rod Woodson, Marshall Faulk, Deion Sanders and Warren Sapp are all Super Bowl winners, Hall of Famers or both. That makes them all experts too, right?
     
  3. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    They know more about the inner-workings of a Super Bowl team than anybody on this board. Does this board have many former players that have played in Super Bowls?
     
  4. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    From their winning records, several years. The game is not just physical talent. Mental talent and emotions play a big part as well.
     
  5. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    Not sure why I am taking the time to try to explain how and why 'attitude' impacts football.

    Having 'attitude' does not guarantee victory every game, .. but not having 'attitude' does almost guarantee defeat.

    (Unless of course you are playing someone who has even less than you)
     
  6. jterrell

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    the NFL is more about physical talent than any other sport.

    the ravens and 49ers are winning because they have very good players.

    attitude, work ethic, desire all count but it means zero without talent.

    Ed Reed believes he'll win in coverage because he is a good player who wins in coverage. RW31 couldn't believe he'd win in coverage because he wasn't good in coverage. The attitude difference wasn't the issue, the athleticism and skillset was.

    T.O. certainly believed he was the best WR in the NFL and at one point he was... but when he lost focus he couldn't catch the ball with self-belief.
     
  7. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Saying we lack attitude is just a genereralization. Just like all the leadership BS and stuff.


    The Cowboys lack 3 main things. (excluding a real GM)

    Linemen

    Top Notch coaching

    Confidence




    Everything else is just dramatizing the situation.
     
  8. VACowboy

    VACowboy Well-Known Member

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    Oh, without a doubt. I just think it's hilarious how so many folks around here wail about jealousy and unprofessionalism when these ex-players give unflattering expert analysis of the Cowboys.

    I agree with Rich and 'Roshi. The whole "attitude" thing is a crock. The 2012 Cowboys didn't lack attitude. They lost because they made too many stupid mistakes.
     
  9. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    WOW!

    Hey, everybody can have their own opinion, .. that's fine.

    Be we will forever disagree that attitude and leadership on a football team are "BS and stuff".

    By the way, .. confidence and attitude are very close relatives.
     
  10. SDCowboy85

    SDCowboy85 Well-Known Member

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    You have to play in a Super Bowl to know if we made the FG in the Ravens game that we would have won? Seriously?
     
  11. jterrell

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    So at UCLA Troy Aikman was a loser who lacked attitude like Jimmy Johnson thought? While his boy from the U Steve Walsh was a winner!

    Or perhaps Troy had more talent and thus excelled when the players had equal talent around them?

    There is a mental component to sports but the NFL is as physically driven as any sport, ever. It really is about winning 1 on 1 match ups and the better athlete wins those a huge percentage of the time. That is because in the NFL everyone has solid technique.

    People with terrible self doubt don't make it that far.

    A 4.3 guy is going to outrun a 4.6 guy all things being equal. That's why the NFL is desperate for more 4.3 guys.
     
  12. tyke1doe

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    With respect to the "attitude" it takes to win, uh, yeah, they ARE experts.
     
  13. tyke1doe

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    And why do people generally make mistakes?

    They do so because ...

    1. They aren't taught properly or
    2. They don't give attention to what they're doing.

    The former has to do with coaching; the latter has to do with attitude (unless something medical or psychological is involved).
     
  14. tyke1doe

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    No, you don't need to be a pro to the Cowboys could have won one more game. And more than you need to know the exact lottery numbers to say you could have won a million dollars.

    However, you do need to have some insight into team dynamics, team chemistry and team composition to know why they didn't.

    And if a man like Newton, who has played on multiple Super Bowl champions, says he understand what that crucial element is, I'm bound to listen to him versus someone who hasn't played on his level.
     
  15. InmanRoshi

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    So it sounds like you can then just selectively and subjectively apply who has "attitude" and who doesn't in hindsight to fit your own narrative. Sounds really valuable.

    I just would like to know what happened to the Giant's "attitude" they had from the previous year, and why it suddenly evaporated into thin air with largely the lockerroom dynamics. I guess Mario Manningham singlehandedly supplied all the "attitude" and then took it with him to San Francisco.
     
  16. speedkilz88

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    What do you thing Nate would say about Barry Switzer?
     
  17. VACowboy

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    So, the "attitude" Nate mentioned encapsulates everything it takes to play mistake-free football, given good coaching, unless it doesn't?
     
  18. Sportsbabe

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    Not surprised at Nate's position at all. If you know anything about the 90's Cowboys, that's them in "10 words or less". I believe you need at least 2 ingredients to be successful in the NFL: one - what Nate said, and defense.
     
  19. Royal Laegotti

    Royal Laegotti Dyin' ain't much of a livin', boy!

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    Well....they didn't, just saying.
     
  20. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    That and I don't know how attitude is a remedy for Sean Lee injuring his toe, Bruce Carter injuring his elbow, Barry Church injuring his achilles, Jay Ratliff hurting his groin, Lissemore having a high ankle spaiin, Miles' hamstring woes, Murray's foot (which he came back to play with and hobbled around and still played well).

    I don't think we mesh skill sets very well. And yes, that's a Jerry problem. Guys end up having to do things they are not particularly skilled at and it throws everything out of whack. We neglect the safety position, year after year and that's a key part of football...not giving up the big play. We try to find diamonds in the rough on the O-Line instead of making sure that the O-Line is in good shape to be productive. We try to think too much on offense instead of just plain old executing. We audible too much. Play calls, on defense and offense take too long to get in. We could use another RB that is good in short yardage for when Murray needs a rest. And again, we suck at safety.

    Any of those things are comments of substance..




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