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Navy Yard shooting; 12 Dead and 4 wounded; 1 suspect dead

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    All this says is that a person can get out of the Military and reapply for a clearance within 24 months. This says nothing about Credentials being valid once you get out or the Military. You still have to go through the proper procedures to get a clearance, which means, you have to have a background check. In addition, the clearance you are talking about here is "Top Secret", which is not what Alexis had. The rules for those are different, as are all levels of clearances and subject to whichever office has authorized them. Sorry, this does not say you can transfer credentials either. Try again.
  2. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Just stop, none of these documents say that you can transfer credentials, as you suggest. All of them say that once you get out of the Military and go to work for a Contractor, you must re up on your clearances, which means you have to go through the process again.

    I am a Contractor. I do this for a living. Seriously, just accept the fact and lets move on to more productive discussion on this topic.
  3. kapolani

    kapolani Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sad all around.

    One of the people that died lives right down the street of some family members.

    He worked with a few of my coworkers here as well.
  4. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    you have a serious comprehension issue.
  5. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    LOL.....


    I know, it's all me. OK
  6. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    It is. Go on and explain what the 24 month period is for then.
  7. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    The 2 year stipulation is/was designed as incentive for Government Employees or Former Servicemen to get on with Contractors. The idea being that they are more familiar, typically more trusted having come directly from Federal/Military environment and trained up to Military/Government specifications. The 24 month or 2 year stipulation is for a renewal window, of sorts. If you are within the 24 month window, the process by which you can get your clearance renewed is easier and faster. The term fast tracked is exactly right in situations such as that. That is not to say that a background check or the process of filling for a clearance is not necessary, it is. However, the 2 year window makes it easier. If you are outside of that 2 year window, then the process is much more expensive and it takes much longer.

    That is why it is recommended that you keep up your clearance, even if you are not employed by somebody who is paying for it. The 24 month window, in no way, precludes you from having to get re-certified for a clearance. You still have to do that. Once you leave the Military, your clearance is revoked and you have 2 years to apply for recertification. After that 2 year period, you are viewed as a risk level that is comparative to any other civilian who has no clearance. You will then get put into that pool and the process for clearance (unless you are highly specialized and your application has significant push behind it) is very lengthy. The waiting list for applicants for clearance outside of the 2 year period is really long. We are talking anywhere from 6 months to a year and even longer depending on where and why. If you are in the job market and you have to wait that long, chances are the job will not be there for you. Somebody else will have been hired and you will be out of luck.

    That is why the 2 year window is important but, in no way does it mean that you do not have to reapply for a clearance or that you bypass the process associated, including the background check.

    Now, I think that we are done here. I have explained the process as clearly as I can. You can either accept it or not.
  8. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    LOL no, again, please check your reading comprehension. This was specifically noted.

    When a security clearance is inactivated (ie, when someone gets out of the military, or quits from their government civilian job or contractor job), it can be reactivated within 24 months, as long as the last background investigation falls within the above time-frame.
  9. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    well since both ABQ and I actually are in this area now frankly you are all wet.

    Yes the Background Check will show a General Discharge. You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
  10. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    You're both shooting from the hip here.
  11. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Have you ever had a clearance or do you work in this industry? Do you have any practical knowledge of the process?

    You are completely wrong here. I'm not relying on some article off the web, I'm telling you this is how it works.

    Look, if you want to continue to believe that what you are saying is correct, that's fine. I'm not going to bore everybody by dragging it out any further. I know the process and what you are saying aint it.
  12. BoysFan4ever

    BoysFan4ever Well-Known Member

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    Very sad.
  13. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    4 years us army, secret level clearance, worked in admin, and have been involved with two investigations for clearances.
  14. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    And you don't know that a clearance can not transfer with you from Military to Civilian life?

    OK, well, I'm just saying that what you are describing is not how it works.
  15. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    By Tabassum Zakaria

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - USIS, working as a contractor for the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), conducted a background review of Aaron Alexis, identified by law enforcement authorities as the shooter who killed 12 people at the Navy Yard before he was shot dead.

    "Today we were informed that in 2007, USIS conducted a background check of Aaron Alexis for OPM," USIS spokesman Ray Howell said in a statement.
    In Alexis' case, "the appropriate federal records were obtained, and the required fieldwork was performed," Mert Miller, associate director for Federal Investigative Services at OPM, said in a statement on Thursday.

    "OPM's involvement with matters related to Aaron Alexis' security clearance ended when we submitted the case to the Department of Defense (DoD) for adjudication in December 2007," Miller said. "DoD did not ask OPM for any additional investigative actions after it received the completed background investigation."

    That Alexis had a "secret" security clearance and maintained it despite several violent episodes before and after the clearance was issued has reinvigorated lawmakers' calls for a review of how security clearances are issued.

    More: http://news.yahoo.com/same-firm-checked-background-navy-yard-shooter-snowden-020849883--sector.html

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