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Need a DT -- Pass rushing DE's are overrated

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by rpatricc, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. rpatricc

    rpatricc Well-Known Member

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    In today's NFL, I think the role of an elite pass-rushing DE is diminishing. Dont get me wrong, they are a great luxury to have. But I think a stud, athletic DT is more important, and should be the priority on draft day. With QBs like RGIII, Kaep, Russell Wilson, even Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, there are very few "statues" standing in the pocket at QB. Most QBs today are effective at feeling outside pressure and steping up in the pocket. What they typically cannot do is handle quick pressure in their face. We've seen this often from Romo. When he takes sacks, it's because someone has busted thru the interior line, not usually from a speed rush around the end.

    Thus, if I was GM, I'd get Ware to take a paycut. If not, cut him. Re-sign Anthony Spencer to a reasonable 1-year "prove-it" contract. And then draft a stud, penetrating 3-technique DT. Someone who can create an inside push and demand a double-team.

    I would be happy with a DL of Spencer (or Ware), Tyronne Crawford, 1st round DT, Selvie (Spencer). With a guys like Ben Bass, Nick Hayden, Kyle Wilbur as rotational guys.
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  2. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    If what you say is true....then we should DEFINITLEY not bring DeMarcus Ware back at the salary he is scheduled to make next year.
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  3. Nirvana

    Nirvana Well-Known Member

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    We need help at all 4 spots on the line. Spencer is a question mark with that knee and not under contract. Ware is simply not the same anymore and is overpaid. Selvie is good but not great. After that it's guys who were on the street not too long ago, and who have not produced. Wynn is ok for rotation but not a starter. Wilber will be a Sam LB again. As for DT, I agree we need more help there. Not sure Nix is the answer but I like what I've heard. We need more help at 3 tech too.
  4. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Can't afford to pay Spencer. He's just not worth it, especially considering the way Selvie stepped up and that Crawford should return. Oddly enough, I'm most comfortable with the strong side DE than all other positions on the line.
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  5. rpatricc

    rpatricc Well-Known Member

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    I thik that Crawford will be a DT next year.
  6. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal Insulin Beware

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    There are so many philosophies on generating pressure on the offense and passer, all of which have had effectiveness from time to time. Defense is one of the more intricate areas of football.
  7. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    What makes you think that?

    6'4" 280ish is a tad on the small side. I mean, obviously he could bulk up, but he's always been an End.
  8. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    Speed. Look at Seattle and SF. Speed speed speed. Everyone in the NFL is strong.
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  9. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    That's basically the same crappy line we had this year...
  10. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Crawford went up to like 298 when they were in a 3-4. this yr they asked him to go back down and he was 285 to play SDE. They will probably have him play the 1tech this yr. He can add weight easily it seems. I can see Crawford 292-295 next yr. marinelli likes his DTs in that range.
  11. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    As far as Seattle goes, they have big guys up front.

    Red Bryant is at least in the 330s, Mebane is a wrecking ball, and Tony McDaniel is about like Hatch... tall but still in the 300s I'd bet. They're two gap players.

    Their speed is created by their weakside outside linebacker who is sized about like Wilcox (can't think of his name) and their only every down one gapper, Chris Clemmons who is smaller than Ware.
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  12. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    i think inside pressure is very important but you need both to have an effective pass rush. the oputside guys are still going to get the the qb more than inside guys
  13. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Both are pretty slow on the defensive side of the football, they win by overpowering everybody.
  14. Nirvana

    Nirvana Well-Known Member

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    Cowboys | Tryone Crawford working at DE


    Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:10:29 -0700

    Dallas Cowboys DT Tyrone Crawford has been working at defensive end during offseason workouts and feels comfortable playing the position because he played it during college. He has gotten down to 285 pounds this offseason, which is where the team wanted him to be at.

    - See more at: http://www.kffl.com/player/26092/NFL/Tyrone-Crawford#sthash.oM3yM7Su.dpuf

    That was 7 months ago. No reason to think Marinelli changed his mind on where to play Crawford since then.
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  15. Oh_Canada

    Oh_Canada Well-Known Member

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    Completely agree with the OP. Nothing bothers today's QB more than pressure up the middle. Brees and Wilson in particular have trouble with this.

    I'm all for dumping Ware. Just doubt it happens.
  16. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    In this defense that we apparently will continue with, the inside pressure makes it hum.
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  17. Kristen82

    Kristen82 Benched

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    When IND was employing the 4-3 up to a couple of seasons ago, they went with small and athletic @ DT and MLB and got killed up the middle by teams with strong running games.
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  18. Aven8

    Aven8 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. They did. And yes we did. Zimmer, Campo, all of them liked fast smaller players.

    Then they got crushed playing a decent run game.
  19. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    agree with you largely and have said basically the same previously

    i think if ware takes a paycut and spencer can be had for a 1 year 'prove it' deal after surgery, then i would get joseph in FA who is a very good DT at the point and still very young
    now you can pick up 2 DL in the first 3 rounds and you DL can be set with very good starters and more than adequate depth
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  20. Clove

    Clove Shrinkage

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    Ware is still super fast and can get up field quickly, so if you have a monster in the middle, or two, pushing that interior back into the QBs face, the only place for the QB to go is backwards where Ware will be waiting. I know we all want to unload on Ware at the moment, it's the trending theme like we have every year, but if you watch closely, Ware is just doesn't have the back strength to push through linemen like he had before the back, but he still has speed and gets up field very fast. The problem is, when he gets up field, the QB steps up into a clean pocket. There should be no clean pocket to step up into.

    I still do think that Ware needs to take a pay cut, but do NOT get rid of a player like Ware, if he's willing to take a cut, and can still get up field quickly. Find some monster who can push that pocket in the middle, and make things very uncomfortable for the QB.

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