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New Report on Obama and ACORN from FOX news.

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  1. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    The chickens are coming home to roost!


    Obama and ACORN: Relationship May Be More Extensive Than Candidate Says

    WASHINGTON: Barack Obama says he only had limited ties to ACORN, and they began in 1995. But other encounters with the group, plus a voter-registration drive he conducted called Project Vote three years earlier, calls his account into question.

    Twice in the last week, Barack Obama has said his relationship with ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- began and ended with legal work he did for the group in 1995.

    The Democratic presidential candidate made his remarks in an effort to distance himself from the low-income advocacy group, which is under investigation for voter fraud in several states.

    But that assertion is subject to debate. Obama conducted training sessions for ACORN workers a decade ago, and his campaign also recently paid an ACORN subsidiary for canvassing efforts.

    Plus his work with a group called Project Vote back in 1992 raises questions about whether he was involved with ACORN back then.

    Project Vote was one of Obama's earliest political successes. As director of Illinois Project Vote, Obama helped register 150,000 new voters in Chicago, and he was heralded for his efforts in local media.

    ACORN was also registering voters at that time, and its relationship with Project Vote casts some doubt on Obama's statement that his involvement with ACORN didn't begin until three years later.

    Obama's campaign Web site -- in a section called "Fight the Smears" that is devoted to shooting down harmful rumors about his candidacy -- states as "fact" that "ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992."

    The site also states, "Barack Obama never organized with ACORN."
    But accounts from the 1992 voter drive suggest the two groups were at least working alongside each other, if not together.

    A blogger for Obama's campaign Web site in February wrote: "When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer ... Senator Obama said, 'I come out of a grassroots organizing background. ... Even before I was an elected official, when I ran (the) Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it.'"

    Also, Chicago ACORN organizer Toni Foulkes wrote in the 2003 edition of the journal Social Policy that the two groups were working to register voters when Obama led the effort in Illinois.

    She wrote that Obama and Project Vote made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win her Senate seat in 1992, and that "Project Vote delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them)."

    But ACORN spokesman Lewis Goldberg told FOXNews.com "there was no work done between Project Vote and ACORN" during the 1992 Chicago drive.
    "There was no financial intermingling," he added.

    Goldberg said the groups, rather, conducted "parallel" efforts to register voters.

    Asked about the 1992 project, the Obama campaign referred FOXNews.com to a July letter to the editor in The Wall Street Journal from Sanford Newman, who was director of Project Vote in 1992.

    Newman wrote that Obama worked for his organization, not ACORN, and that "it wasn't until after Mr. Obama's tenure had ended that it began to conduct projects more frequently with ACORN than with other community-based organizations."

    He wrote that Project Vote "remains a separate organization today."
    Goldberg also told FOXNews.com the two organizations are still separate, even though they now work together on voter registration.
    On that issue, the two organizations seem to have maintained a close and open relationship in recent years.

    Project Vote announced last week that together with ACORN they registered over 1.3 million people to vote. Project Vote is listed on the ACORN Web site as one of many "allied organizations." The two organizations also share an office address in Arkansas and Washington, D.C. According to ACORN, the office-sharing is a cost-saving move done for "convenience."

    But as to Obama's statement that his ties to ACORN are contained to his legal work, it has already been widely reported that his campaign paid more than $800,000 to a group called Citizens Services Inc., an ACORN subsidiary, to "augment" Obama's grassroots organizing efforts in the Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania primaries.

    His campaign maintains those efforts were for getting voters to the polls and not for voter registration, which is the sticking point of ongoing ACORN probes.

    Goldberg also confirmed to FOXNews.com that Obama gave two training sessions over the course of three years in the late '90s. He said each session lasted an hour or less.

    Republicans say Obama can't deny his relationship with ACORN.
    "[Obama's] relationship with ACORN is well-established," said Republican National Committee spokesman Danny Diaz. "His comment is a fabrication."
    But Obama's carefully worded statement regarding ACORN training on his "Fight the Smears" site appears to be true.

    The statement says ACORN never "hired" Obama "as a trainer, organizer or any type of employee."

    And Goldberg said that, in fact, "Barack was not paid."
  2. cowboys#1

    cowboys#1 Finish!

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    fox news

    i stopped reading there.

    fair and balanced- yeah right
  3. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    CNN has been pointing out the same things. :laugh2:

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    It doesn't matter if Obama was signing people up with ACORN this past week in Ohio, people don't want to hear it.

    There is plenty of imperical proof that Obama has questionable ties and activities. People will vote for Obama because he represents change to them. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is.

    Remember, the people once chose Barabus over Christ.

  5. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament...

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    Well my plane is boarding here in Nashville... I'll try to get back on in my layover in Houston...
  6. ThaBigP

    ThaBigP New Member

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    Don't worry, when your buddy Obama gets in the White House, and the Dems get a super-duper majority in Congress, I'm sure they'll fix the Fox News "problem".
  7. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    yeah the fairness doctrine will be used to make it like Orwell's 1984.
  8. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    LOve how the libs here bag on Fox and refuse to admit how bad MSNBC and others are. Typical hypocrits.
  9. dbair1967

    dbair1967 Arch Defender

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    but they wont fix the "problems" at cbs, nbc, cnn etc etc right?

    and we know why, right?
  10. Doomsday

    Doomsday Rising Star

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    Ya cause CNN and other liberal media outlets are so balanced. They are all about as balanced as ESPN.
  11. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    Outside of MSNBC and NYT, I would not drop the others to the level of BSPN just yet. That truly is below the toilet and right into the sewer.
  12. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    FOX NEWS????


    ......and yes, MSNBC is also biased so I really dont trust either---------

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