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next year we are a complete team

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Nunez21, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. noshame

    noshame Who wouldn't follow me? Zone Supporter

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    I we finish 8-8 or worse we go get a blue chip QB, and finish building the offense around him.
  2. SilverStarCowboy

    SilverStarCowboy The Actualist

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    Finally we took a Center and it worked out pretty well...how about a Rushman... can we ask for a DT?
  3. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Don't you have to at least win your division before you can get that title?
  4. T-RO

    T-RO Well-Known Member

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    Nope. The cap is going to have teeth to it for the Cowboys over the next few years. Watch and see.
  5. CowboysYanksLakers

    CowboysYanksLakers Well-Known Member

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    I agree, we need a running back who can stay healthy...
  6. REDVOLUTION

    REDVOLUTION Return to Dominance

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    Yeah that sucks.

    Hope we can compete the sentence... " next years champs are here a year early" :)
  7. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    The biggest mistake we do as Cowboy fans is overrate the talent on this team. BIGGEST mistake.

    Well when you're constantly getting top 10 picks I would think you would at some point end up being a contender. Its been long overdue for the Chiefs. People have had them as a team on the up for the past 3 years now. This wasn't some overnight accomplishment for them.
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  8. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    It's Jerry's biggest mistake and the mistake of the scouts he hires to rate these players. Jerry is the one who signs off on drafting and signing these players. He's the one who admitted after the Packers crushed the Cowboys in 2010 that led to Wade's firing that he possibly overrated the players. It's also the FANS (homers) on this board that overrate the players.
  9. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    When a team goes from 2-14 and the #1 overall pick to 6-0 the very next season that is an overnight accomplishment especially when they brought in a new HC and a new starting QB. When you make major changes like that you would expect at least a season or two for things to start gelling. Garrett has been the HC for almost 4 years you would think after all that time the Cowboys would be past the 500 funk by now. Be honest if you knew in Nov of 2010 when Garrett took over as the interim HC the Cowboys would have back to back 8-8 seasons in 2011 and 2012 and start off the 2013 season at 3-3 that's what you expected with the corp group he inherited and all the talent he's added since? How many years should it take for a coach to add enough pieces to have a winning season? Garrett won 5 of 8 games in 2010 with a team that wasn't near as talented as what he has now and he accomplished that with an aging backup QB. Call me impatient but I expected the team to be a lot further along that this after 4 freaking years.

    The Cowboys roster has gone through a complete overhaul since 2010 and here they are 4 years later still stuck at 500. We've been watching teams the past season or two that weren't any better than the Cowboys in 2010 compete for SB's. I'm frankly shocked that Garrett gets the support he does from some with as little progress as the team has shown under him the past 4 years. I honestly don't see much difference in the team the Cowboys have now and what they had the past 2 seasons under Garrett. I mentioned earlier the Cowboys were 3-3 after their first 6 games in 2011. They were 3-3 after their first 6 games last season and here they are 3-3 again after their first 6 games this season. It's like watching a rerun every year with this team while Garrett continues to say it's a process. Every presser from him sounds like a repeat from last year and the year before. I guess he thought not wearing a ball cap during games this season would change things.
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  10. RastaRocket

    RastaRocket Sanka, Ya Dead Mon? Ya Mon.

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    We're going all out with Romo.
  11. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    I'll never understand this negative view on Red. He is getting the job done. He and staff are doing a fantastic job of two consecutive years of working through incredible injury circumstance.Guys, Garrett is here to stay and you might as well get use to it. Or you can continue to piss and moan, up to you.
  12. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    or better yet, next year's REPEAT champs!
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  13. REDVOLUTION

    REDVOLUTION Return to Dominance

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    Yes!


    But first we need to win one before we repeat and go back to back lol
  14. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    And now, I have been told that we can not find a way to sign a player like Byrd or any other high to moderately priced player to fill important holes on the team, because we can't afford the cap associated.

    The Romo signing is, to say the least, prohibitive in this area. We are 40 Million, over the cap right now with projected payroll I would not count on us making any big moves in FA without giving up some talent.

    As to Ware, if you believe that Jerry can leverage Ware to take a pay cut, without some sort of compensation, I think you have quit another thing coming. Ware will have a market in the NFL. He's already given us a break on his salary. The Cowboys need him way more then he needs us IMO. That's not going to happen with Ware IMO but I guess we'll see.
  15. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    You base this on?
  16. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I'm tired of hearing 'next year'. I'll worry about 'next year' when THIS year is complete. I don't care about next year right now.
  17. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    For me not even thinking about next year all I'm concerned with is this year. We have played a total of 6 games with 10 more in front of us. Right now the goal is the same as it was when the season started and that is to make it to post season and having a chance to do something once we get there.
  18. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    If you watched the Chiefs last year you knew what their problem was. Terrible offensive play and terrible QB play. Its why they could just insert a bus driver like Alex Smith and come out the gate 6-0. People have been picking the Chiefs to be in the post season for a wild card spot for the past 2 or 3 years.

    If you can sit here and look at this team and say we are underachieving than that's fair. I don't agree with it but its your opinion. But IMO, Garrett is getting more out of this team than he should be getting. I don't look at this team and ask myself "Are we being severely outcoached"? The answer is no. We're simply just as good as 90% of the teams in this league of parity.
  19. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    That's how I feel. I don't care what our record is as long as we win the division and have some success in the post season. I'll wait and judge this team and their coaching at the end of the season. But to do it after 6 games is silly.
  20. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Your mixing up the current season 2013 with next season 2014. The Cowboys have indeed nearly maxed out the cap for 2013. The Franchise Tag for Spencer cannot be manipulated. It is 10.6M all applied to this season. Also, the "Mara penalty" that took 5M away from 2012 and 2013 will not be an issue in 2014.

    Projected NFL payrolls always look huge at this time of year. Like I said, it was projected to be 40M over at this time last year and that did not include the 10.6M for Spencer or a new contract for Romo. Projected payrolls don't account for the restructuring of contracts that occurs every year.

    Some people think that restructuring has to eventually catch up to a team because their pushing money into the future; however, with the ability to restructure, a team can continually push money into the future. Pushing money into the future is a Zero interest loan that gets renewed every year.

    If an individual could get a zero interest loan, here is an example of what he could do with it:
    Initially, you get a 2M loan for 2 years with zero interest to buy a house.
    Year 1: You make 1M of payments on the loan.
    Beginning of year 2: You get a new 2M loan and payoff the original loan. You have 1M remaining in your bank account.
    Year 2: You use the 1M in your bank account to make payments on the new loan.
    Beginning of year 3: You get a new 2M loan and pay off the original loan. You have 1M remaining in you bank account.
    Year 3: You use the 1M in your bank account to make payments on the new loan.
    Repeat.
    Repeat.
    Repeat.

    Summary: You get a 2M house but only pay 1M. You always "owe" the other 1M but you never actually pay it back.

    In real life, you can't do this because you can't get a Zero interest loan; however, in terms of the NFL salary cap, pushing money into the future is a Zero interest loan.

    The NFL salary cap is obviously not as simple as the above example; however, the concept is similar. Some study estimates are that an NFL team can continuously operate with an "effective" salary cap of about 150% of the actual salary cap by continuing to push money into the future.

    The final issue is that the salary cap increases most years. It is expected to make a significant jump at some point.

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