NFL.Com Scout's Report Not Real High On Bobby Carpenter...

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  1. CaptainAmerica

    CaptainAmerica Active Member

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    ...the scout is Russ Land, who worked for the Rams. He isn't real high on Carpenter. Take a look. This ought to generate some response from all the Carpenter fanatics on the board. :D
    Bobby Carpenter
    Height: 6-3
    Weight: 255
    40 Speed: 4.61*
    Position: Outside Linebacker
    College: Ohio State
    Final Grade: M 5.9 INJ

    GM JR Scouting LLC Grading Scale/Key

    Carpenter was a very frustrating linebacker to evaluate, because he no doubt has the size, strength, playing speed and athleticism to be a productive all-around linebacker, but he is not one now, and he is unlikely to ever become one. While he tests out like a warrior, his lack of instincts hinder his ability to play up to his off-field workouts -- he is often a beat late moving at the snap and lacks the explosiveness to catch up once he loses a step. When he is aggressive with his hands, he does a good job jolting blockers, gets arm extension and can shed and get free to make plays against runs directed at him -- he has shown the ability to do a good job of maintaining force responsibility. Overall, Carpenter is going to test out big time and will be drafted higher than rated because of it, but he will struggle to become the big-play impact linebacker that is expected of such high draft picks. He will develop into a good starting linebacker, who like many current NFL starters, makes a lot of tackles chasing down plays in pursuit, but does not make big plays to impact games. Carpenter broke an ankle against Michigan, so the ankle will need to pass tests before he is completely cleared.

    Carpenter is a good athlete with the size and strength to play all three linebacker positions. He is a tough and competitive player, who consistently hustles and chases from snap to whistle, and does not quit until the ball carrier is down. Once he gets to full speed, he has good playing speed to make tackles from sideline to sideline. He has the strength to be a strong presence at the point of attack, and he can shed and make the tackle.

    Carpenter does not play up to his natural athletic ability -- no doubt, he does not play up to his 40 time. He lacks good instincts, which causes him to be a beat late moving at the snap and reacting to the play once it gets started, and he lacks the explosive burst to make up the ground and catch up. He struggles to stay with tight ends and running backs in man-to-man coverage; he allows separation out of cuts and can't get back into good position.

    Grade Category Comments/Description
    5.0 Read & React He's often a beat late moving at the snap and reacting to the play.
    5.5 Initial Quickness He gets moving quickly when he sees the ball, but his instincts hinder his consistency.
    6.0 Play Strength He can stack the point of attack vs. blockers, and he sheds and makes tackles well.
    6.5 Tackling He does a very good job of bending knees, staying over feet and tackling in space.
    5.5 Shed Blocker He can be very good, but he struggles to consistently shed once a blocker gets ahold of him.
    5.5 Run at Him He doesn't always shed in time, but contains runs and makes plays when he does.
    6.0 Pursuit/Range He chases plays down well in pursuit, but doesn't always have the speed to catch fast ball carriers.
    6.0 Closing Burst When he gets close chasing plays in pursuit, he has a good burst to finish the play.
    5.5 Zone Coverage He closes quickly to make the tackle after the catch, but he lacks burst to get there to make a play on ball.
    5.5 M/M Coverage He can stay with his man on straight routes, but struggles to stay close out of cuts.
    5.0 Pass Rush Ability He lacks an explosive burst off the ball and is not consistent pressuring the quarterback.
    5.5 Errors His instincts cause him to react late and lead to him not making plays he should.

    ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.0
    Carpenter is a good athlete, but he does not consistently show it on the field. Despite testing out as an elite athlete, he does not play like one. He has quick feet and can accelerate to full speed quickly, but he does not have an explosive burst, and does not play up to his 40 time. His playing speed gives him sideline range vs. the run, but his lack of burst hinders his ability to stay with RBs out of their cuts in man-to-man coverage. He has the natural flexibility to bend his knees and play with a wide base -- he can move and adjust to breakdown and tackle well out in space, when he stays under control. He does not consistently change directions quickly, and lacks the burst in the other direction to catch up once the tight end crosses in front of him.

    COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0
    Carpenter is definitely a tough linebacker who has shown a willingness to play through pain to stay in the lineup, and has consistently fought hard to get to the ball. While he has been a productive player who consistently chases down plays across the field in pursuit, he is not an impact player, and does not make the big plays on defense that change games. His overall production has been good, but it is important to note that his production comes mostly from making tackles from the side in pursuit, and he rarely makes a big play. He is consistent in his ability to make plays when he has a clear path to chase down the ball, but struggles greatly when he has to take on and defeat a blocker. He struggles to shed blockers once they get ahold of him, and he gets cut to the ground too easily by cut blocks. He is a competitive team player who consistently hustles and chases hard after the ball from snap to whistle and never quits on a play.

    MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 5.0
    While Carpenter is regarded as a smart young man, there should be concern about his ability to learn and retain based on his bad use of hands vs. cut blocks and his bad shedding technique. He does not consistently read and react to the play quickly, which makes one wonder about his instincts -- he's late reacting to the tight end releasing off the ball, allows separation, and cannot catch up. He does a good job of maintaining a high level of concentration despite inconsistent instincts.

    STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 6.0
    Carpenter has a very good build for a linebacker at 6-3 and over 250 pounds, and he has the frame to add another 10 pounds without affecting his play. His size, athleticism and competitiveness have helped Carpenter to be a pretty durable linebacker at Ohio State, and he should be a durable NFL player, but will need to overcome the broken ankle he suffered against Michigan in 2005. When Carpenter is chasing after the ball carrier in pursuit, he has shown an explosive closing burst to finish plays. However, in terms of acceleration, he lacks an explosive burst and loses a step to players with a burst out of their cuts. When he bends his knees, plays with a wide base and uses his hands aggressively, he displays good playing strength -- he can stack the point of attack vs. offensive line blocks, shed the block, and make the tackle.
  2. Woods

    Woods Well-Known Member

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    I've actually ordered his draft guide.

    He definitely has some controversial/different views . . . .

    For example, his QB rankings. He has V. Young as a 3rd round talent. \

    It's a different read for sure.
  3. adbutcher

    adbutcher K9NME

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    *door opened* *grenade tossed* *door closed*

  4. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    I believe it's Lande (as in "Landry" minus the "r")... He runs the site. I heard this guy on Sirius one day, and he sounded very bright and well organized, unlike some so-called gurus. But I can't agree at all that Carpenter lacks instincts or doesn't play up to his athletic ability... At least, not when I've seen him play.
  5. RealCowboyfan

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    Tell me what analyis said this about Vince Young or who doing the comments about him. Is it the same person that's doing the comments about Vince Young?:rolleyes:

    I doubt if they went as far as saying Vince Young is 3rd round talent..:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I think you're just saying that because you like Bobby Carpenter alot and you want to be like the media and make look worst than their looking right now..
  6. Duane

    Duane Well-Known Member

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    It's the same guy and you're right his guide and grading system are very different.

    I need to go back and check my 2005 guide again but IIRC he had Ware as the 5-6th best OLB/DE. It's still a good read and has a lot more player write ups than PFW and Kiper do.
  7. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Every single tweener by GMJr. sounds the same "________ is a frustrating player to grade, because despite the fact that he displays the ability to make big plays, he doesn't do it consistantly." You'll see that line in various phrasings in Carpenter, Wimbley, Lawson and every other pass rusher in the draft. I'm not exactly sure what he expects out of a defense end. Someone needs to let him know that a 15 sack season only means you're getting 1 sack a game.
  8. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    FWIW, he has a few sample player evaluations up on his site, and he has Marc Bulger with exactly the same grade as Terence Newman... :cool:
  9. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    I thought I saw of some of this from Carpenter. At times he looks a bit awkward and plodding. But all I've seen are clips.

    Personally, I don't think we go OLB with 18 unless Wimbley or Greenway are available. We will either trade down or take better value at another position like DB.
  10. NorthTexan95

    NorthTexan95 Well-Known Member

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    If the Cowboys draft Carpenter then this guy is an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. If the Cowboys don't draft Carpenter then he's 100% correct and Carpenter will never be worth his draft position. If another team in the NFC East drafts Carpenter then Carpenter is certain to be the biggest bust of the draft! It all depends on who drafts him.

  11. garrett316

    garrett316 With the Lights Out, It's Less Dangerous

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    I live out here in Big Ten country so OSU is constantly on the tube. I like Carpenter as much as Hawk. BC's tackle numbers don't show it but this guy always seemed to be around the ball and making big plays for OSU. I'd be fine with him Lawson or Wimbley. jmo
  12. trickblue

    trickblue Not Old School...Old Testament...

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    Yeah... ;)
  13. Paniolo22

    Paniolo22 Hawaiian Cowboy

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    He and Merrill Hodge are on the same medication.
  14. RealCowboyfan

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    I like Bobby Carpenter from the looks of the highlights.

    What people saying about him make him more interesting.

    I like the long blond hair. Do anybody have his statistics compared to AJ Hawk and Manny Lawson statistics?
  15. Rack Bauer

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    And there goes his credibility. What little of it he had.
  16. adbutcher

    adbutcher K9NME

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    This guarantees he will be a great football player.:rolleyes:
  17. Hostile

    Hostile The Duke

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    Just like the Boz baby.
  18. adbutcher

    adbutcher K9NME

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    Good point. :laugh2:
  19. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

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    All I know is the guy had eight sacks from the OSLB spot. I would call those big plays.
  20. bbgun

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    Why the surprise? If he didn't have flaws, he'd be drafted high like his buddy Hawk.

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