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NFL network analyst Mike Mayock talks about safeties for draft this year.

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by cowboyjoe, Jan 30, 2009.

  1. cowboyjoe

    cowboyjoe Well-Known Member

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    Originally posted: January 29, 2009:star:

    Bears would be wise to pass on weak safety class
    By Vaughn McClure

    Last season, general manager Jerry Angelo called the group of safety prospects "anemic" as the Bears prepared for the draft. NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock would echo that sentiment for this year’s class.

    "It’s a similar group,’’ he said. "There aren’t any Top-10 picks. Basically what you’re looking at is late first round as a possibility, but most of these kids will fit in the second and third rounds.’’

    Missouri’s William Moore (6-0, 228) is the most talented but Mayock is intrigued by Alabama’s Rashad Johnson (6-0, 187), Western Michigan’s Louis Delmas (5-11, 196), and Clemson’s Michael Hamlim (6-2, 207). All participated in the Senior Bowl.

    "The biggest disappointment for me was William Moore,’’ Mayock said. "He had a Top-20 grade from almost every NFL team heading into his senior season. He's a big, physical tough guy who has first-round value. But you could probably get him in the second round this year. He’s going to be a boom or bust.’’

    Mayock rates Johnson and Delmas as solid, second-round picks. They both play free safety, and the Bears need a replacement for departing veteran Mike Brown. Danieal Manning is likely to remain at nickel back as he continues to be the primary kick returner. And Craig Steltz, a fourth-round pick last season, is viewed more as a special-teams contributor than a starting safety.

    "Delmas and Johnson are tough, smart kids," Mayock said. "I like them a lot. Hamlin plays free safety, too. Patrick Chung from Oregon also had a good week at the Senior Bowl, but he’s more of a strong safety."

    The Bears selected safeties Brown (2000) and Manning (’06) in the second round. Maybe they are on track to do the same this year.

    Friday: Mayock dissects the defensive ends.
  2. Chris in Arizona

    Chris in Arizona I am Death

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    My 1st priority is Sean Smith.
    My 2nd priority is Louis Delmas.

    I could live with Rashad Johnson.


    If we do not address the safety position, get ready for a year-long fixation on these guys
    VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
  3. SLATEmosphere

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    What a tough decision..do we go after Sean Smith, the ultimate ball hawk and can make plays for us in the secondary, or wait for Taylor Mays and make a play for him in 2010..I'm not patient..SEAN SMITH IT IS!!!
  4. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Mayock missed often on his analysis last year....plus he sounds kind of like Elmer Fudd when he talks.
  5. Chris in Arizona

    Chris in Arizona I am Death

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    yeah, but Mayock insisted Matt Ryan was the 2nd coming last year and everyone called him on it. Looks like he nailed that one.
  6. tomson75

    tomson75 Brain Dead Shill

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    It wouldn't bother me one iota to take a safety on the first day in two consecutive years. As bad as the position has been for us since Woodson left, it'd be a welcome move IMO.

    Give me both.

    Smith at FS and Mays at SS.....drool.
  7. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Yeah, that was a good call. He deserves some credit, though I heard many say the same thing, there were plenty of naysayers too. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.:cool:
  8. SLATEmosphere

    SLATEmosphere Benched

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    oh wow....if only hamlin wasnt locked up in that contract..Could you just imagine Smith and Mays roaming the secondary back there? I wish I could just see that for one game..just one game.
  9. Chris in Arizona

    Chris in Arizona I am Death

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    The deals given to Hamlin and Flozell Adams shocked me last year.

    Here is Hamlin's breakdown:

    2009 (age 28)Cap Hit $5.805M / $7.5M if he was released ( - $1.695M in cap room)

    2010 (age 29)Cap Hit $7.096M / $6M if he was released ( + $1.096M in cap room)


    2011 (age 30)Cap Hit $6.5M / $4.5M if he was released ( + $2M in cap room)

    2012 (age 31)Cap Hit $8.5 M / $3 M if he was released ( + $5.5M in cap room)

    2013 (age 32)Cap Hit $ 9.5 M / $1.5 M if he was released ( + $8M in cap room)

    2014 (age 33)Free Agent

    I can't see him making it to 2012 season with us. The good news is that if he sucks again this year we can actually gain room but cutting him before next season, even though it's a minimal gain.
  10. SLATEmosphere

    SLATEmosphere Benched

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    Ya well it sucks because it's a double edge sword with Hamlin. As a Cowboy fan I WANT him to do good and succeed and reak havoc in that secondary, but at the same time I want Mays to come in here in 2010..and Hamlin would have to suck for that to happen...
  11. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    We need to draft a couple of safeties this year. I'd like to see both a SS and FS brought in. I'm not impressed with our depth.
  12. SLATEmosphere

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    Does anyone know where I can find Sean Smith highlights from games? I'm trying to make a video of him, but can't find any game film on him on the net..
  13. SLATEmosphere

    SLATEmosphere Benched

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    Sean Smith and Rashad Johnson should do the job...
  14. dbair1967

    dbair1967 Arch Defender

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    I'm still not sold on Mays...right now he's more like one of those "looks like tarzan, plays like jane" types IMO...I havent seen every game he's played, but the one's I have seen (and its quite a few because USC is on alot) he doesnt do much, especially on pass plays.

    He made the right decision to stay in school I think.
  15. SLATEmosphere

    SLATEmosphere Benched

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    Ya hopefully another year in college will let him improve on his flaws. He's still a talent and with the right coaching he could become elite.
  16. cowboyjoe

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    SLATE, have you tried to search on youtube?
  17. cowboyjoe

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  18. SLATEmosphere

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    Ya I have..there's only that one video. I can't believe there isnt more of him. I've seen every game he played in junior year and have no video! hah
  19. cowboyjoe

    cowboyjoe Well-Known Member

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    well do a search like i did, you might come up with more
  20. 28 Joker

    28 Joker 28 Joker

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    I love how he left Emanuel Cook completely out of the discussion. He is a SS/FS in a cornerback's body. He tackles like a SS, and he covers like a FS. He's led South Carolina in tackles the last two years, and he was in the top 10 in tackles per game this year. He did it in the SEC. When you draft Cook, you're drafting a player who can play both positions. He can play SS, and the Cowboys need help there now.

    Chung can't cover according to scouting reports I've read. Johnson doesn't have the size to play SS and hold up, imo. Drafting him and moving the weak run stopping Ken Hamlin to SS makes you weaker against the run, imo. The Cowboys were ranked # 4 against the pass in 2008. FS pass defense isn't the issue. Letting the Ravens do what they did is the issue. The SS failed on both plays. Delmas didn't play in a BCS conference. He can still be good, though. He doesn't have Cook's size. Hamlin is a linear player, like Ken, who may be better built for FS. Can he hold up at SS?

    If Cook runs a 4.4, he's probably a second round pick. NFLDraftScout has his low time listed at 4.42. If he runs a 4.52 or something low in the 4.5s, he may still be a late second round or early third round pick. This assumes his interviews go well.

    I predict the Cowboys might very well take him at # 51 if they can get him by the Texans.

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