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NFL Re-Issues Suspensions on Bounty Players

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by DWhite Fan, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. DWhite Fan

    DWhite Fan It ain't over 'til it's over

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  2. Joshmil53

    Joshmil53 Active Member

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    hahahahha
  3. 67CowboysFan

    67CowboysFan New Member

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    :signmast:
  4. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    waiting for the whining Aint's fan....
  5. Andrew76021

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    So you could make some more unsubstantiated claims without any facts of the case? BTW, the Ommissioner still has not shown any proof to the players/personel suspended or the media to warrant his charges.

    Some day the truth will surface and you'll see how corrupt this entire sham of case is. The evidence presented over the past 7 months has been pathetic and contradictory along the way.

    You just like to think its true so you don't have to feel so dissappointed about the team you follow. Takes the sting out of fan embarrassment when others have issues.
  6. Cowboys&LakersFan

    Cowboys&LakersFan Benched

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    Good. Should've never been undone in the first place.
  7. 67CowboysFan

    67CowboysFan New Member

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    Would you like to explain the details to those of us who are not familiar with the evidence?
  8. Kimball19

    Kimball19 New Member

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    The poster you quoted might come back w/his own take but this is the stuff I recall just off the top of my head. I doubt you truly want to read any of this, but here goes.

    -It started with 50,000 pages. It's been whittled down to a cocktail napkin with handwritten scribbles. Literally. (I tried to post the pic but it's not letting me)

    -It began with 22 - 27 players being implicated, then shrunk to four. Three, if you consider Goodell's most recent letter to Fujita essentially saying, "I can't prove you did anyhting, but I know you did something."

    -There are two affidavits from former Saints coaches that contradict each other. One from a coach who was fired for repeatedly lying about horrific family crisis that dictated he be off for weeks at a time... He supposedly told them (as he was escorted from the building) they would regret firing him and he made good on that promise.

    -There are nine sworn testimonies from players that contradict the two coaches.

    -Goodell first said there was intent to injure, then switched it and said even if intent wasn't there - it's still wrong. The NFL panel said, "Um. No. That's not how it works."

    -Goodell had to backtrack and obtained one of the signed statements mentioned above or otherwise he would only be allowed to fine players for salary-cap violations.

    -The signed statements emphasize a performance pool with a footnote mentioning Vilma's alleged 10k offer on Favre.

    -Somewhere along the way, the NFL produced a Saints ledger and pointed to a game where players received bounty payments. Journalists noticed that there were no injuries in that game.

    -The NFL retracted that info and specified a different game. Journalists pointed out that the injuries in the second game were to the opponents defensive players.

    -The NFL threw out that piece of evidence until earlier this week when it was revealed that the games in question had been revised for a third time.

    -The NFL produced a 200 page Saints defensive playbook where only one page was used to levy suspensions.

    -Correction: a half page was used. The NFL said to ignore one side of the page with Vitt's name on it (after Vitt said the info was tampered with and wanted to take a lie detector test to prove it).

    -The NFL said the players originally didn't want to meet with them to discuss case. Hargrove produced evidence demonstrating that he tried to get a flight to NYC multiple times to meet w/Goodell, but the NFL kept giving him the run-around.

    -The NFL said Hargrove was on film saying "Give me my money" after a play that injured Brett Favre. Hargrove wasn't involved in the play and was not on film saying any such thing.

    -Goodell said Hargrove admitted to participating in bounty proram in his signed statement to the league. The next day, someone leaked the statement. It said nothing of the sort. Not even close.

    Every single thing the NFL has produced has been contradicted and the NFL has had to issue revisions. But no one notices the revisions; the small print. People only pay attention to the original story with the attention-grabbing headlines.

    The NFL has never laid out their entire case, only releasing bits and pieces of inaccurate and contradictory info strewn out over seven months. It feels like they're making it up as they go along.

    -For the longest time, they hid behind the claim that they were protecting ther witness, but Jonathan Vilma named the witness - and his motive - months ago. No one bothered to read those statements.

    I could literally go on for ten more paragraphs about all the discrepancies in this thing, but you get the picture. Naysayers latch on to what they recall from seven months ago - "The coaches apologized so it must be true!" - and haven't bothered to pay much attention since. I don't blame them. It's kinda boring if it doesn't directly affect your team.

    -Players told CBS Sports that they had seen the original letters to the coaches and that the letters from Goodell indicated it was in their best interest to accept the punishment, to not make waves.

    But I think Sean Payton explained his stance when he spoke at SMU a few days ago, "Coaches don't have a union. We don't have a voice. We're on our own. I'm doing what I have to do to get my job back."

    IMHO, I think this is some of the evidence the OP was talking about being pathetic and contradictory.
  9. RoyTheHammer

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    Fujita got screwed.
  10. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    Well hell.. they all got screwed. Wow.
  11. burmafrd

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    more BS from ain'ts fans.

    The truth is there was a bounty program. all the whining in the world does not change that.

    Now maybe if it had gone to court the Ain'ts could have beaten it- I mean OJ did.

    But all the bs just described still leaves a substantial amount of evidence that it did indeed happen.

    And affidavits from Ain'ts players are not worth the paper they are printed on.

    Just like Lie Detector evidence is not admissable in court. Because it is EASY to beat the machine with a little preparation.

    what that aint's refuse to admit is that Williams ADMITTED early on there was a bounty program.

    Bottom line is the aint's got caught.


    Are they really so stupid as to think the NFL would have spent more than a year investigating, and then have a former FEDERAL PROSECUTER examine the evidence and tell them that she would have taken this to court, if it was not true?
  12. cajuncocoa

    cajuncocoa Bleeding silver and blue Zone Supporter

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  13. Joshmil53

    Joshmil53 Active Member

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    How is the lovely city of New Orleans this season?
  14. cowboyeric8

    cowboyeric8 Chicks dig crutches

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    I feel so sorry for you
  15. cajuncocoa

    cajuncocoa Bleeding silver and blue Zone Supporter

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    haha!! Well, the weather has been nice for the past couple of days. Football? Not so much!!:rolleyes:
  16. cajuncocoa

    cajuncocoa Bleeding silver and blue Zone Supporter

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    Thank you!! You have NO IDEA. :banghead:
  17. Andrew76021

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    And that substantial amount of evidence is what again? You have yet to mention it. Everything the NFL has produced as evidence has been disproven.

    You sound more butt-hurt about the Saints being a better football team than the Cowboys than whether or not this case has any merit. For once, why not talk in specifics when you make statements so everyone here knows you know what you are talking about. How about just 1.
  18. rickjameschinaclub

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    This whole 'appeal' process by the NFL was to create the impression they were actually being sincere in their investigation. It's a load of hogwash....

    But when your not Kraft and Bellichek, then Goodell will simply make up evidence. If you are, he'll burn the evidence....
  19. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    actually I am just laughing at you
  20. Andrew76021

    Andrew76021 Member

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    That's what people do when they have nothing of substance to offer. Every discussion on this forum regarding the bounty scandal, you have offered nothing constructive other than your misinformed, ill-guided, biased opinion. There is a reason you didn't get a job in the field of law. You obviously believe everything you read in the media. How many national media outlets have to come out and change their initial position on Godell and the bounty suspensions before you realize, you are dead wrong?

    Keep laughing. It shows your intelligence.

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