Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Gryphon, Jan 4, 2013.
Completely agree. Gruden will just make us more of a circus than we already are.
I wanted Chucky when we got Garrett as HC instead, so I'd be thrilled with Gruden.
Yet, I'd also be okay giving Red another chance as long as we can get a competent OC in here and worked on the OL in the offseason. Wouldn't be nearly as optimistic as if we were getting Gruden, but I would hold on to some hope at least.
I agree that there may be something to this rumor. King mentioned Gruden to the Cowboys. Patrick mentioned a few weeks back that Jerry was quietly searching for a head coach. Gruden's known to be interested in returning to coach, but has not been mentioned with ANY of the current openings. Jerry has not come out and endorsed Garrett, but rather, criticized the teams record, coaching, and basics. And promised to make drastic change in order to get the best out of Romo. Certainly seems interesting to me. And if you connect these dots, you have to admit there's some logic to the rumor.
As for Gruden himself, I'm not much of a fan but you can't really argue he's a better head coach then Garrett. Like him or hate him. He's definitely proven.
Wasn't it Gruden coaching the Raiders when he was screwed over by the "tuck rule"..?
Yeah. The idea isn't that Gruden beings any of the garbage QBs he worked with in Tampa. It's that he'd be working with Romo.
And the whole Dungy team thing cracks me up.
1. He did what Dungy couldn't which is why he got the job.
2. What else has Dungy done? 1 SB with one of the greatest QBs ever? In 7 years? John Fox might get that this year. And we credit Dungy for building the Bucs but don't acknowledge the Colts were basically the worst team in the NFL without Manning? If Dungy didn't have Peyton, how does he do?
Looking at two different situations and trying to compare potential outcomes when the rosters are worlds apart is wasted effort. What can a coach do with what you have now is the better question.
This is a sound post. I think Garrett could be a good coach, but currently feel that he is putting a square peg thru a round hole.
Gruden is a better coach than Garrett.
My only concern is that, the players have bought into Garrett, if JJ moves on, how long does it take for the players to buy into Gruden?
Attitude on the team matters and it appears that the attitude of this Cowboys has changed in the last two years for the better.
I'm on the fence with this move if it should happen. But, something has to change with the offense and it's just not entirely the OL.
Easy fix, he just shows them his ring.
That's easy. The first meeting he welcomes himself into the organization. Then tells the players it's my way or the hi-way. I think the players will buy into that if they want a pay check from JJ. Enough of TEAM CUPCAKE. The dead weights have to be shown the door. With Howdie Doodie we are going no where.
My one concern is how quickly these players could learn Gruden's system. Some of these guys have been in the same system for six years and still mess up.
There is no way he can bring someone in to "tweak" the offense and keep the architect of that offense on as the head coach.
That would be beyond stupid.
Pretty easy to buy into a guy who comes in and flashes this:
Especially considering it's something he won as a head coach, not a backup QB.
you copied me
Not that im defending Gruden.. or want him here.. but to the people saying he won the superbowl with Dungy's team. Wasn't the team he played against his team before he went to tampa.. which means another coach made it to the superbowl with Grudens team correct?
It has for years.
Garrett or Gruden? It's a no brainer. Gruden.
The players had great things to say about Wade even after they quit on him.
Bring on Chuckie. Change is a good thing.
Does 8-8 year after year concern you?
I'm not really concerned with this. I feel that the reason these players can't execute Garrett's offense after 6 years is because a) Garrett can't coach it or b)the offense sucks. Continuity is useless when the thing you're keeping around is garbage and doesn't work. And besides, they already mess up the offense. What's the harm in trying a different one if they are already screwing up the one that they've been in for 6 years? What, is 7 years the magical amount of time for these 'dumb' players to finally understand what genius JG is so expertly teaching them?!
Several other teams have turned over their entire team and made it to the playoffs within the next 2 years, especially lately.
Adjusting to a new coach can be a benefit moreso than a harm. Especially when you're stuck in neutral for several years straight and players are complacent to be better than bad, but worse than good.
Unless of course, you're JG and take 7 years to really get things going.
One thing Gruden does that Garrett doesn't is hold players accountable. He'd light a fire under this teams ***.