NFLDS: Surprises at 2008 Senior Bowl Weigh In

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  1. theogt

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    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Surprises at the Senior Bowl Weigh-In


    Rob Rang

    Monday, January 21, 2008, Mobile, AL --
    Scouts didn't have to wait until the practices to start for the 2008 Senior Bowl for intrigue to begin.

    Perhaps anticipating the drama, the weigh-in this year was moved to the Mobile Convention Center. In years past, the weigh-in had been held inside the Renaissance Hotel, previously known as the Adam's Mark.

    The South Team was weighed first. Scouts hoping to see quarterback Brian Brohm were disappointed. Brohm, like fellow first round shoe-ins Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan and Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long, elected to pull out of the Senior Bowl proceedings after previously agreeing to participate. Notre Dame tight end John Carlson and Auburn defensive end Quentin Groves were surprises no-shows, as well.

    Tennessee's Eric Ainge was a late substitution in Brohm's absence. Other notable late additions for the South were Auburn tight end Cole Bennett and Hampton defensive Kendall Langford.

    There were several impressive (and unfortunately, not so impressive) physiques taking their turns on stage for the South.

    The South's best builds were presented by Miami linebacker Tavares Gooden, who measured in at a chiseled 6011, 233 pounds, Arkansas fullback Peyton Hillis' thick upper body made his 6007, 240 pound frame all the more impressive. Perhaps the two most impressive physiques, however, were turned in by a surprising ACC duo. Wake Forest defensive end Jeremy Thompson (6043, 264) and Georgia Tech inside linebacker Phillip Wheeler (6020, 245) both weighed in heavier than expected. Each had thick, powerful frames with wide shoulders and good overall muscle definition.

    Several big name defenders were much less impressive. LSU outside linebacker Ali Highsmith (5115, 229), South Florida inside linebacker Ben Moffitt (6010, 231), and Kentucky tight end Jacob Tamme (6036, 234) all could use more time in the weight room. A general lack of definition characterized each of these standouts. Among the big men, Maryland's Dre Moore (6041, 307), Wake Forest center Steve Justice (6032, 289), and Arkansas guard Robert Felton (6037, 313) were particularly sloppy in their upper body.

    The North team, weighed in moments after the South, offered their share of surprises, as well.

    North Carolina defensive tackle measured in at 6044, 308 pounds -- a full 26 pounds heavier than his listed 282 while with the Tar Heels. Oklahoma State wideout Adarius Bowman had one of the more impressive physiques of the day, measuring in at a strong, athletic 6027, 220 pounds. Amongst a roster full of undersized receivers, Bowman looked like a man among boys. Tight ends Fred Davis (USC) and Kellen Davis (Michigan State) were very impressive. Though Fred Davis measured in shorter than expected (6025, 250), his upper body was one of the more impressive of the day. Kellen Davis (6062, 259) may have the most intimidating build of the entire roster.

    Of the big men, three players immediately stood out.

    Ohio State offensive tackle Kirk Barton may lack elite footwork, but some of his stiffness may have come from spending too much time in the weight room. Measuring in at 6043, 303 pounds, his lats, pecs, bicep, and tricep definition was impressive -- especially for a big man. Arizona State's Mike Pollack had a strong, athletic build with tight skin -- a huge contrast to the sloppy build of Wake Forest's Steve Justice of the South Team. Nebraska offensive tackle Carl Nicks, at 6047, 343 pounds, is the heaviest player in Mobile, but is surprisingly trim. While he has extra flab in his upper body, he looks capable of moving busses with a simple glance.

    Perhaps the most interesting moment of the weigh-in, however, occurred only moments into the North Team's introduction.

    Virginia Tech's Xavier Adibi has long arms. His rangy build is one of the reasons scouts are intrigued by him. However, after it was announced that his arms were 37 and 7/8" inches long -- or roughly 3 and a half inches longer than anyone else's, Adibi's arms were measured again. The result? 34" inches…

    Despite a program renowned for their strength and conditioning program, Virginia Tech Hokies Adibi (6015, 220) and Chris Ellis (6042, 260) were not among the more impressive-looking athletes. Neither had poor builds, necessarily, but neither had the impressive upper body definition that has generally been a trademark of Virginia Tech athletes.

    Other disappointing builds from the North were presented by linebacker Jordan Dizon (5117, 228), tight end Martin Rucker, who at 6046, 248 pounds looked a bit rangy and undersized, and inside linebacker Beau Bell (6015, 243).

    Among the sloppier builds of the big men was USC's Sam Baker (6044, 308) and NC State defensive tackle DeMario Pressley (6032, 300). Each looked surprisingly soft. Northern Iowa offensive tackle Chad Rinehart (6052, 317) lacked muscle development in his arms. Baker also possesses extraordinarily small hands for an offensive lineman. His hands measure only 8 and 2/8" inches across, giving him the smallest hands of any offensive lineman. Gosder Cherilus, quite literally on the other hand, had the biggest hands at 11 and 4/8 inches as a member of the South team.

    Arm length is another useful feature for scouts. Often blockers with short arms are asked to move inside to guard because of the close quarters. Oniel Cousins (31") and Sam Baker (32 5/8) have the lateral quickness and size scouts prefer as left tackle prospects, but they're relatively short arms will be something for pro teams to consider.

    Chad Reuter contributed to this report.[/FONT]
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    2008 Under Armour Senior Bowl Weigh-In Notes

    7 Players that may have helped their stock:

    LB Phillip Wheeler, Georgia Tech: Listed 235, weighed 245, ripped.

    WR Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma State: 6'2" & very solid 215 lbs.

    QB Joe Flacco, Delaware: 6'6" looked the part of N.F.L. QB.

    WR Jordy Nelson, Kansas State: Well-built, lean and legit 6'2".

    DT Kentwan Ballmer, UNC: Listed 282, weighed 308 & stacked.

    CB Dejuan Tribble, Boston College: Buff and looked built for speed.

    OL Gosder Cherlius, Boston College: Largest hands (11 1/2") & arms (35 5/8") in the Senior Bowl.

    7 Players that may have hurt their stock:

    QB Colt Brennan, Hawaii: Listed 6'4", measured 6'2".

    TE Fred Davis, Southern Cal: Also listed 6'4", measured 6'2".

    DT Dre Moore, Maryland: 307 but in very poor shape.

    DT Red Bryant, Texas A & M: Soft, small hands (8 1/8")

    LB Ben Moffitt, South Florida: Measured 6'1", weighed 231.

    OL Robert Felton, Arkansas: Sloppy and in poor shape.

    OL Kory Lichtenstieger, Bowling Green: 6'2" 296, 30 7/8" arms.

  3. marchetta

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    Sam Baker OT USC

    Sam has good size to play at the next level. He has played in a pro style offense and has done a solid job in pass protection and understands the responsibilities of his position. Sam shows stand-out leadership skills and is the type of O-lineman that will grade out well after every game because he knows his assignments and carries them out to the best of his abilities.

    Sam needs to get a lot stronger, move his feet better, fire out on running plays and learn to stay with his blocks. He must use better leverage when pass or run blocking. He must improve his lateral agility. Sam must improve his quickness out of his stance and he must show every one that he can play more than one position on the line of scrimmage. Right now, Sam is very overrated because he has played LT for four years in a big program.

    For me personally, Sam is a big disappointment! He has not improved from the first time I saw him play. He really struggles making his blocks in the running game and doesn’t stay long enough with his blocks when pass blocking. Most of the time, he is covered up with a TE when pass blocking and he still gets beat to the inside. Usually players like Sam can be moved to a Guard position or the Center position, but Sam is not very stout against the run and I’m not sure he is quick enough out of his stance either. If Sam has a good work ethic, really wants to play at the next level and gets drafted by a team that has a really good offensive line coach who sees excellent potential in Sam, then it is possible he could make it at the next level. But because Sam has not improved at all since the first time I saw him play, I have to think that Sam feels that he is a finished product ready to start for the team that drafts him. This could not be further from the truth. Sam might be able to be a Guard at the next level, but right now his blocking in the running game is very poor and he lacks strength and quickness in his upper body when he is pass protecting. For a player that has been in a big program and considered to be one of the better linemen in this draft, I expected him to be further along. Maybe I’m being too hard on the kid, but at one time, I really thought this kid could turn into a hell of a LT. That just didn’t happen at the college level, so I don’t expect it to all of a sudden happen at the pro level. Sam’s talent level is equal to most late round picks in just about any draft, but I’m sure he will be picked some time in the first three rounds because he comes from a big time program that knows how to market its players. The truth is that Sam, currently, is a dime a dozen offensive lineman that you can get in the draft in any round. But what do I know -- I’m just out here doing my own work and watching film from year to year.

    - Drew Boylhart (

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