North vs South Senior Bowl Game Thread

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Jan 30, 2010.

  1. Cover 2

    Cover 2 Pessimists Unite!!!

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    I don't think a rookie could beat out Hamlin (he gets everyone in the secondary lined up), or any of our ends. McClain could beat out Bradie, but I seriously doubt we even have a shot at him. If he fell to us we would have to take him without hesitation.
  2. dbair1967

    dbair1967 Arch Defender

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    Hamlin is painfully average, and thats giving him the benefit of the doubt. Honestly IMO he's awful and is arguably the worst starter on the team. His inability to make plays is hurting the defense.

    As for DE, while its unlikely, we could easily lose a couple of DE's because Spears, Hatcher and Bowen are all RFA's. If Spears left, depending on who was selected in the first rd I could definitely see them win a starting job. Bowen has potential, but I think Hatcher is a JAG.

    I think someone like McClain could beat out Brooking or James.
  3. AustnIsMySaviour

    AustnIsMySaviour Benched

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    lol..wr? safety? OL possibly DL? that statement is the farthest thing from the truth :|
  4. Cover 2

    Cover 2 Pessimists Unite!!!

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    Name one person we could draft that would replace a starter. I can't remember the last time we had a 1st round rookie start. I'm drunk right now, so I can't think too far back, but I know it has been more than a couple of years.
  5. bbgun

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    Tebow > Roy. This time, the Stanback experiment will work.
  6. Cover 2

    Cover 2 Pessimists Unite!!!

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    :laugh2: Interesting, BB. Interesting. He's got all the leadership skills and intangibles to take us to the Super Bowl.

    Here's a conundrum for you. If we draft Lord Tebow, does ESPN want us to win (since Teblow would be here), or want us to lose (for ratings)?
  7. UnoDallas

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    nobodys down on Kozier - it about getting who might the best OG to come out in years

    I say give him a year - because Koziers contract is up next year - I take at 27 play him when we get some big leads - but I bet he could an will beat out Koizer by the 8 game
  8. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Whether or not Iupati played great or horrible Dallas wasn't going to draft him on todays performance.

    I trust that if we use our 1st on him than our scouts have done their homework and believe they can develop him into a starter for us.
  9. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Kosiers not terrible and he may be our best linemen at pulling and blocking in space.

    As much as we run the power play it helps having a guy like Kosier who can get out on blocks like he does.
  10. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    How many times have we seen this staff promote someone over a starter already in place? There's no reason to fool ourselves into thinking anybody who we bring in is going to start next season.

    Jerry pretty much said it entering the off-season: This front-office/coaching staff believes we can win with what we've got ... nothing is going to change.

    The draft will allow us to bring in competent backups who will one day assume starting roles, but no one we draft will be a starter from day one unless there is an injury (or he's a field-goal kicker).

    This is not necessarily a bad thing because it gives the rookies time to develop and adjust to the pros.
  11. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Yeah we pretty much redshirt guys around here.

    I mean Felix Jones had to scrape and claw just to get on the field when he was clearly ready to be a big part of this team from the get go.

    Our coaching staff has trust issues. So before you call someone we draft a bust always keep this in mind.

    We still may not know that Miles Austin is an NFL superstar if not for injury.

    What if he would've just had an ok game against KC? We may have never known.
  12. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    I know I am late to the party, but I TIVOed the game and just finished watching it.

    For all the hype he got, Iupati freaking sucked today. Not only did the guy get pushed backwards into his own backfield multiple times, he holds on almost every freaking play.

    This guy would quickly replace Flo as the most penalized lineman in the league, virtually every freaking snap he grabs the DL by the shoulders. That will get called 90% of the time in the NFL, you know how many TD passes from Romo to Austin are going to get called back next year if we draft this guy!!!

    Sorry, but no way in hell I draft Iupati with the 27th pick. He is going to need some serious time on the bench and working with a good o-line coach before he is ready to step on the field for a regular season NFL game.
  13. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    Ridiculous. Are you saying that Felix Jones was a waste? Or Mike Jenkins?? Neither started as a rookie.
  14. Joe_Fan

    Joe_Fan Continuity Is Overrated

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    Felix Jones has been a good play for us, fragile, but good.

    It's a shame though to think of us picking him when Chris Johnson went two picks later and is an absolute beast that can do everything Felix does but better.

    Here's hoping that Felix can shake the injury bug, get some better conditioning, and maybe produce similar to what Johnson can do.

    Mike Jenkins has been great too (and our best corner currently), but its hard to justify trading up for him when we had a similar player in Brandon Flowers that was sitting there at our spot, has been every bit as productive, and wouldn't have cost us any additional picks to get him.
  15. TheSport78

    TheSport78 The Excellence of Execution

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    I was following you up until that. Brandon Flowers? When has his name been mentioned in the NFL? It's safe to assume he didn't have a Pro Bowl season in Kansas City. Mike Jenkins is light years ahead of Brandon Flowers right now.
  16. Joe_Fan

    Joe_Fan Continuity Is Overrated

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    Brandon Flowers

    2009 - 65 Tackles, 23 PDef, 2 FF, 5 INT
    2008 - 69 Tackles, 13 PDef, 1 FF, 2 INT

    Mike Jenkins

    2009 - 49 Tackles, 19 PDef, 0 FF, 5 INT
    2008 - 19 Tackles, 4 PDef, 0 FF, 1 INT

    Yep, you're absolutely right.. he sure is light years ahead of Brandon Flowers. :rolleyes:

    I made the point that we could have gotten a similar player, who didn't benefit from as good of a defense, without having to give up any additional picks to obtain.

    And using the Pro Bowl argument? Ha! Give me a break.. Newman was called into the Pro Bowl before Jenkins and anyone with half a brain knows that's a crock of crap. We hear a lot about Jenkins because he plays for the Cowboys and they get a lot more exposure than the Chiefs does. Now I'm not knocking on Jenkins, I'm happy we got him, but again we could have gotten an incredibly good corner who doesn't get a lot of face time based upon where he plays without having to give up anything to get him.
  17. jjktkk

    jjktkk Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Sorry, but Parcells track record at drafting Olineman while at Dallas was putrid. Jason Rogers, Stephen Peterman, and Al Johnson were bad picks, so I would look elsewhere for a better source. As far as finding Olineman at small schools, Doug Free was nice find and he will challenge for a starting position next year. Going back to the 90's, Larry Allen came from a small school, that turned out pretty well don't yea think? You can find talent anywhere.
  18. Beast_from_East

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    Hindsight is always 50/50.....

    Just keep in mind that virtually every analyst and scout had Felix Jones rated higher than Chris Johnson and that there were reports that Jeff Fisher and the Titans were going to draft Felix if he was on the board when they picked. Chris Johnson was actually the Titans backup plan if Felix was gone.

    Like I said, hindsight is 50/50, but I cant fault the Boyz for taking the back that was universally considered better than Johnson. Trust me, if anybody had any idea Johnson was going to rush for 2000 yards, he would have been a top 5 pick.
  19. burmafrd

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    90%+ of NFL O linemen come from BIg Schools. BP probably meant that unless the guy is a monster like LA was there is no point in putting a lot of time checking small school O linemen. LA and guys like that are the extreme exceptions. There is more film and tape and data on O linemen from big schools and they also go up against a lot more top talent then the little schools do. Exceptions prove the rule.
  20. CATCH17

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