Not so fast J.J. some of us remember the last 20 some years!

Discussion in 'Drama Zone' started by rwalters31, Aug 7, 2017.

  1. jazzcat22

    jazzcat22 Well-Known Member

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    He listened to Parcells that set back the OL, bringing in aging overpaid OL, which some did not even play (Reviera). Then switching from the 4-3 to the 3-4, and going after DL as opposed the OL...Jerry is not the blame, or not all of the blame. And yes, Garrett gets credit, in his first full year, he started getting rid of those overpaid aging OL, knowing it would take a hit and a while to rebuild. And Jerry listened to Jason there too.

    His biggest improvement as a GM is having Stephen be more involved and them bringing in and listening to Will McClay. Though it still was not all Jerry in those dark years all by himself.
     
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  2. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Some people need to learn how to forgive and let things go.
     
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  3. jazzcat22

    jazzcat22 Well-Known Member

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    Even Tex Schramm came out and later on said, that he was the blame for the way it was handled with Landry. That he should have went to Tom from the start.
    Landry himself said he knew what was going to happen.
    By the time they were going to tell him, Landry left the area, so they had to track him down in Austin, I believe on a gold course to inform him. Tom said they could have saved the trip.

    It was all by coincidence that a local reporter was having dinner in the same restaurant Jerry and Jimmy was having dinner, the night before the announcement. He put it together and leaked the story before the PC.

    It was all an unfortunate incident, but people look to hold grudges and reasons to to have excuses.
     
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  4. jazzcat22

    jazzcat22 Well-Known Member

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    Then Parcells quit on the team of what he was building. He was overrated as the HC here as well. He made as many mistakes as he did in having successes.

    And it was not Jerry's ego that held the team hostage, but believe as you will. I won't try to convince you otherwise.
     
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  5. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    Right.....what type of person are you that a guy is celebrated for his accomplishments and you run in front of everyone reminding them of the times you failed......
     
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  6. Swanny

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    Jerry is in the HOF for many reasons. Winning, super bowls, etc. But i think the biggest reason he is in is because of the success he has on the business side if things. We must remember the NFL is a business and there has never been a guy more successful than Jerry when it comes to money. He has shown the NFL how to make $$ and how to stay in the spot light. I think its safe to say that Al Davis is the most important owner the NFL has ever had. Then Jerry would be 2nd just because of the money side of the business.
     
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  7. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    My only complaint with Parcells is he was overly conservative.. Other then that I thought he was great.

    We gave him almost no talent and he took us immediately to the playoffs and made us respectable.
     
  8. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I think BP did not have the same fire as he did as a younger coach. He showed that at some other stops before Dallas where he faded after a short period, BP later in his career would go through periods of burn out. To have success as a HC you must put in the long days not just during the season but through out the year. This is one reason many former players whom people feel would be great coach choose not to because they know the hours these coaches have to put in. .
     
  9. diefree666

    diefree666 Well-Known Member

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    since you are mostly full of it who cares? You BP haters amuse me; so CONVENIENTLY FORGETTING where we were when he took over.

    5-11
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    ring a bell?


    BP was too old frankly; did not have enough left In the tank to really get the job done. But he laid the foundation.

    By the way the first thing BP did when comin on board was tell Jerry to give the Hotel a new contract. And BP was also the one to bring in Colombo. And he also understood that LA was becoming just a shell of himself and the Team needed to move on. So your BS about the O line is as usual completely slanted.
     
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  10. jazzcat22

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    Way to conservative, and I think that cost us some games.
    But getting us to the playoffs with Quincy at QB....man deserves to be in the HOF just for that.....:muttley:
     
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  11. Yakuza Rich

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    That and he completely botched the salary cap. When the salary cap came along we went into the direction of buying high priced FA's while teams like the Steelers and Packers went more into the direction of building thru the draft.

    It wasn't until Parcells came along that we started to get with the times in terms of how to build a team and even then we still had some major slip ups along the way.

    We've also had our fair share of bad luck. It seems like anytime we took a real chance that could go either boom or bust...it always went bust. Jerry deserves blame in the sense that he likes to gamble instead of taking calculated risks. But you would think that the odds are that some of those gambles would pay off and almost none of them, time and time again, ever did.




    YR
     
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  12. Doomsday101

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    True we also were resigning some of our own high priced FA some who we were on the hook for like Aikman, Smith and Irvin despite fading play and career ending injuries. The trade for Galloway hurt because we lost 2 1st rd picks in the process of Jerry trying to win one more SB during that run. Not a knock on Galloway but losing your top picks on a team who should have been rebuilding instead of taking a long shot of 1 more SB. JMO
     
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  13. Yakuza Rich

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    Certainly.

    They were gambles and IMO they weren't good moves because they were too likely to fail. It's just that it seemed like every single time they failed. I just have the belief that at least 1 of them would work out.

    Just like when we re-signed Ratliff to a good deal. The guy turns out to be a flake and refuses to play. Or when we re-signed Free prior to 2011 to make him the franchise LT or RT depending on how Tyron turned out. Free went from having a great 2009 and 2010 season to an enormous dropoff in 2011 that nobody could project or understand why.

    Or when we re-sign Miles Austin and he can't keep his hamstring healthy. It was certainly the right move to re-sign Miles, but his hamstrings suddenly were made out of paper mache. Even with Romo last year when his back was supposed to be healthy...ends up getting injured on a simple slide in preseason. Re-sign Larry Allen and he gets bone spurs in his ankle that greatly regress his performance for the rest of his career. Sign Marco Rivera to be that missing piece to the O-Line...injures his back on a treadmill.

    And so on...



    YR
     
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  14. Ranching

    Ranching Well-Known Member

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    Or, we could be the Browns
     
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  15. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    Or the Jets, Bills, Dolphins, Bengals, Colts, Jaguars, Texans, Titans, Raiders, Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles, Skins, Bears, Vikings, Lions, Panthers, Falcons, Bucs, Niners, Rams or Cardinals.





    YR
     
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  16. viman96

    viman96 Thread Killer

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    Bum Bright made it a condition of the sale of the team that Jerry had to fire Landry. Bum himself has been quoted as saying he wish he could have taken the heat for Landry's dismissal.

    As for Jimmy, do not kid yourself. He wanted out and wanted to be in Miami.
     
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  17. dogunwo

    dogunwo Franchise Tagged Zone Supporter

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    I love the idea that Jerry was supposed to let Jimmy do whatever he wanted to do, no matter how insubordinate he was in the process.

    Both are to blame for the split. Its also very, very, very tired to keep bringing it up.
     
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  18. Doomsday101

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    I agree. What is done is done. Both men share in the blame and frankly that is how the players on that team took it that both Jimmy and Jerry let them down. As Troy said Jimmy would tell players there would be enough credit to go around if we were winning championships but when it come down to it Jimmy and Jerry were not willing to do so. Troy never complained that he was not in an offense that was not a heavy passing team, hell we ran the ball with Emmitt and played off of the run but as long as Dallas was winning championships Troy was more than content.
     
  19. PA Cowboy Fan

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    He took us to the playoffs with Quincy Carter.
     
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  20. rwalters31

    rwalters31 Well-Known Member

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    Guys, I hear your arguments and appreciate all of them. However, as a GM JJ has sucked for so long that as long as JJ is calling the shots I will be suspect of chances of ever see the Superbowl again.
     
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