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Novak: Who will tell Hillary (it's over)

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  1. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    Who Will Tell Hillary?

    By Robert D. Novak
    Monday, February 25, 2008; A15

    Even before Sen. Barack Obama won his ninth straight contest against Sen. Hillary Clinton, in Wisconsin last Tuesday, wise old heads in the Democratic Party were asking this question: Who will tell her that it's over, that she cannot win the presidential nomination and that the sooner she leaves the race, the more it will improve the party's chances of defeating Sen. John McCain in November?

    In an ideal though unattainable world, Clinton would have dropped out when it became clear even before Wisconsin that she could not be nominated. The nightmare scenario was that she would win in Wisconsin, claiming a "comeback" that would propel her to narrow victories in Texas and Ohio on March 4. That still would not have cut her a path to the nomination. But telling her then to end her candidacy and avoiding a bloody battle stretching to the party's national convention in Denver might not have been achievable.

    The Democratic dilemma recalls the Republican problem, in a much different context, 34 years ago, when GOP graybeards asked: "Who will bell the cat?" -- or, go to Richard Nixon and inform him that he had lost his support in the party and must resign the presidency. Sen. Barry Goldwater successfully performed that mission in 1974, but there is no Goldwater facsimile in today's Democratic Party (except for Sen. Ted Kennedy, who could not do it because he has endorsed Obama).

    Clinton's rationale for remaining a candidate is the Texas-Ohio parlay, and pre-Wisconsin polls gave her a comfortable lead in both states. But Texas has become a dead heat, and her margin in Ohio is down to single digits. Following the Wisconsin returns, Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland, Clinton's leading endorser in the state, is reported to have privately expressed concern as to whether he can hold the state for her. If she ekes out a win in Ohio while losing Texas, who will bell Hillary?

    The former sense of inevitability regarding Clinton becoming the first female president was based on her dominance over weak fields in both parties. McCain was the one Republican who worried Democratic strategists, and he appeared dead three months ago. Mitt Romney, the then-likely Republican nominee, was viewed in Democratic circles as unelectable.

    Obama's improbable candidacy always worried Clinton insiders, which explains the whispering campaign that the Illinois neophyte would prove vulnerable to a Republican onslaught as the presidential nominee. That private assault continues to this day, with Obama described as a latter-day George McGovern whose career record of radical positions will prove easy prey for GOP attack dogs.

    But Clinton could not go before Democratic primary voters and assail Obama for being too far to the left. Instead, she insinuated moral turpitude by asserting that Obama had not been "vetted." When that backfired, she claimed plagiarism by Obama in lifting a paragraph from a speech by his friend and supporter Deval Patrick, the Massachusetts governor -- an approach that yielded mainly derisive laughter among politicians.

    I listened in on last Wednesday's news media conference calls by Clinton campaign managers Mark Penn and Harold Ickes in the wake of her Wisconsin drubbing. Incredibly, they were hawking the same plagiarism charge that had just proved ineffective. Clinton herself raised the bogus issue again at Thursday night's debate in Austin and was rewarded with boos from the Democratic audience.

    Clinton's burden is not only Obama's charisma but also McCain's resurrection. Some of the same Democrats who short months ago were heralding her as the "perfect" candidate now call her a sure loser against McCain, saying she would do the party a favor by just leaving.

    Clinton's tipping point may have come when it was announced that her $5 million loan to her campaign came from a fund she shares with Bill Clinton. That puts into play for the general election business deals by the former president that transformed him from an indigent to a multimillionaire and might excite interest in their income tax returns, which the Clintons refuse to release. The prospect impels many Democratic insiders to pray for the clear Obama victories on March 4 that they hope will make it unnecessary for anybody to beg Hillary Clinton to end her failed campaign.
  2. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    How hard is it to see that America just does not like the woman? Now you have powerful democrats distancing themselves from her.

    I find all of this very relaxing actually.

    Keep up the good work Hil. :D


    Has JT even came by to respond to this drubbing his hottie is getting?
  3. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Uh...hello, Hillary is consistently leading in polling right now in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, the 3 biggest states coming. And she could easily re-take a delegate lead with those states. Even winning nominally will be a huge "comeback" story.

    People counting her out right now are just wishful thinkers. She may well lose, but it's far from a sure thing.
  4. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    I WILL I WILL I WILL I WILL!!!!!!

    and i won't laugh and dance too much when i do. till i'm out of sight!
  5. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    damn reality. you're right of course. it swung to obama w/o too much warning and i suppose it could fall back to the same. but i do believe the way she's "fighting" now is only hurting her, causing her decline.

    one 'oh crap' erases a lot of 'atta boys!' - and she's stacked the deck against herself. but this is a "clinton" and strange things happen around them.
  6. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    I dont think she loses Ohio. That state is just a mound of dirt full of wackjobs.

    I do think she will lose Texas when its all said and done. She is getting alot of the feminist vote in Texas. One would think McCain would take some or most of the hispanic vote in Texas and Obama should carry the black vote away from Clinton.

    I see Hil going down sometime real soon. People don't want to vote for a losing candidate. When is the last time she won anything? I think Obama has swept her so far cept for NY and CA? Not sure on that.

    Mainstream dem's appear to be sticking w/ Obama.
  7. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    I know seven people who have voted early in the Texas Primaries. Not a one has voted for Hillary.....
  8. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Did any of you catch Saturday Night Live this past weekend? Mike Huckabee had a special cameo appearance that was pretty funny. He poked fun at himself about knowing when to acknowledge that the race was over.
  9. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    I think Huck is doing a terrible job of continuing the way he is. He has nothing to prove at this point. The guy should bow out and endorse McCain and get it over with.

    He can do it now or he can do it next week.

    Very irritated at him for continuing like he has, when it's been McCain big the past few of weeks.
  10. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    SurveyUSA has a new poll that's coming out tonight and they're saying that 25% of Democratic voters have already done their early voting. Given that Hillary had huge leads in Texas until recently when Obama has been able to reduce them through campaigning, I think that 25% is going to strongly favor Hillary. If she wins Texas, I think she's in the race for a long long time to come.
  11. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    I don't see a problem with it. Huckabee does have nothing to prove, but his staying in the race probably won't harm McCain's bid. Huckabee is unlikely to run again in 2012, so he doesn't have to save money for the future like Romney did when he withdrew. Doesn't appear to be a problem or at least a big problem. Maybe just a minor annoyance if anything.
  12. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    You mean the wackjobs that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 and ended up deciding the 2004 election in Bush's favor?

    If you mean those people you are right they are wackjobs...just like you.
  13. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Love the so called TOLERANT and understanding Libs like Concord insulting voters and others right and left. Just makes me smile.

    The polls on Texas I have seen take into account the early voting and still have it a toss up. The way things are going by March 4 Obama whips her butt easy. Ohio was in Hilary's bag with a 21 pt lead a month ago; now its single digits with 8 days to go. PA shows her lead dropping as well. Barring a spectacular Obama gaff (of course always possible) some one stick a fork in her- she is DONE.
  14. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    it's more fun to watch the "ying" yell at the "yang".
  15. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Do you ever read before you post?

    I live in OHIO...now figure it out who was calling whom what first.
  16. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    You mean the wackjobs that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 and ended up deciding the 2004 election in Bush's favor?

    If you mean those people you are right they are wackjobs...just like you

    by your own words....
  17. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    I'm going to insult you now...you aren't too bright are you?

    His post was FIRST...calling people in OHIO in which I live wackjobs.

    He was calling me a wackjob.

    I just responded in kind and pointed out the error of his ways...considering that OHIO voted twice for Bush.

    So why would he think they're wackjobs if they voted for the guy he likes.

    Personally I agree that there are wackjobs in Ohio...the ones that voted for Bush.
  18. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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  19. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    And another thing...I NEVER said I was Tolerant...that's another stupid label that you have given me when you have NO Clue who I am.

    I am one of the most INTOLERANT people that I know...when it comes to things like the environment or animals which I am hard core about.
  20. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Oh noo!!! He's hard core now. :bow: Everyone run AWAY from the hard core environmentalist/animal lover activist of CBZ.


    Please - spare us the environmentalist machismo you so wish to radiate. It's funny and all but really, it makes you look pathetic. Its all well and good you feel that way and all but I have my reservations about anyone having to post the fact on the internet that they are hard core about anything.

    BTW: Ummm I hope nobody gives a rats BUTTHOLE how intolerant you can be, because really, it doesn't matter. I think you know that.

    Now go eat some nails and chew on some glass, maybe get a barbedwire wrastlin match started with abersonc or somin.

    HardCore!! :laugh2:

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